Sabbath

yes, I know the this was done by the Jews.

you and needs to studyman seem to think that we are a bunch of snuday morning pew potatoes , and we have never did deep studying.

the next verse In 2nd Corinthians after the Sprit gives life is the ministry of death written on stone, and then how much better the ministry of the Sprit will be than that.

now, let's use 1st grade sunday school logic here. what in the Old Covenant was written on stone??

I don't know if you study deeply or not, I can;t assume you know or don;t know anything. But when dealing with this subject that principle is factual so I emtioned it.

Well Paul says many things:

Romans 7:12-14, “So that the Law truly is holy, and the command holy, and righteous, and good. Therefore, has that which is good become death to me? Let it not be! But the sin, that sin might be manifest, was working death in me through what is good, so that sin through the command might become an exceedingly great sinner. For we know that the Law is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin."

2 Corinthians 3:7-8, “But if the administering of death in letters, engraved on stones, was esteemed, so that the children of Yisra’yl were unable to look steadily at the face of Mosheh because of the esteem of his face, which was passing away, how much more esteemed shall the administering of the Spirit not be?”

in know, you judeaizers do not take all of Paul's writings as Scripture. most of you will admit this only if you really get backed into a corner, but, it is a prevailing thought, just another piece of the propaganda puzzle that ya'll have.

- Yah creates everything. All is owned by him...but then he sets-apart land as "his" special land.

- Yah creates all of the nations of humanity...but he then takes for himself one nation set-apart as "his" special nation.

- Yah establishes that nation of 12 tribes as a kingdom...but he then takes one tribe set-apart as "his" special tribe.

- Yah establishes that one tribe as servants...but he then takes one family from that tribe set-apart as "his" special family of priests.

- Yah creates all of the increase (fruit, cattle, income) for that kingdom...but he commanded a portion (tenth) set-apart as "his" special portion.

- Special bread was to be set-apart...special oil...special fire (he actually kills two people both in the OT AND NT because they didn't respect how special their offering was meant to be: Nadab and Abihu after Mt. Sinai, and then Ananias and Sapphira after Pentecost)

- Yah blesses all parents with children...but he set-apart all firstborn as "his" special possession.

- In Revelation, out of all the inhabitants of the earth, Yah reaps a harvest of only a portion called the wheat as "his" special crop.

- In Revelation, out of all of Israel, we read of only 144,000; 12,000 set-apart from each tribe as "his" first fruits.

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Yah doesn't change and Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. It's in His nature to pick favorites and to have special preferences in pretty much everything - like when He created everything in six days...but then sets-apart the 7th day as "his" special day.

Why would his personality suddenly change?

Whose personality just suddenly changes unless they have that specific mental illness (with respect to those suffering from such a malady)?

I said Paul said many things, you can isolate or consider all his writings, but I definitly believe the Messiah;s words in the Gospels and in Revelation hold significance over all others.

Exactly. And that is why obsession with the 7th day sabbath is just that. Plain obsession.

That's patently ridiculous.
Why are you so offensive when you disagree people have every right to observe the Sabbath as they see fit? Jesus never abolished it so why are you offensive in your disagreement with it. If you don't agree so what.

There is now. I didn't realize it had fallen off because I set to not read signatures.
No one is dumb enough to think a Bible scripture needs a url link. And no one here said someone did.
The stupid people are the one's that copy and then paste a Bible sites commentary concerning a scripture. That's not a hoot. That's lame.

Paul's words do not contradict Christ. another Hebrew Roots/ s.d.a lie.

Paul was the hand-picked person , by Jesus , to take the Gospel to the gentiles.

so, thanks for confirming what I said- your religion does not agree with Christianity that all Paul's words are Scripture.

oh that's what you think i did?
i'm not copying people's commentaries. i don't even read commentaries. i'm not parroting some preacher, either. i do listen to 10 to 15 sermons a week, from a big variety of pastors/teachers, but 9/10 i don't even know their names and don't care to, and more often than not i disagree with a significant amount of what they say, and spend a lot of time thinking about why i disagree, why they must come to the conclusion they do, and which one of us is wrong. i don't parrot any of them. i think for myself, as much as it's possible.

whatever you thought i was copying from somewhere else, i wasn't. for the most part if i quote scripture, i put it in blue or red font, and i cite chapter and verse. when i quote others, or refer to something that i'm getting from someone else, i put it in purple, and i give a link if i've copied a block of text from somewhere. if i have time to format, anyhow. if my text isn't formatted it generally means i'm posting from a phone. and sometimes i am in a bit of a hurry and forget to color-code things.

lol you quoted me giving a handful of verses that help explain why i have this name and this avatar. and you quoted that and said, "stealing, no sources cited, blah, rawr!" -- big misunderstanding. probably you were quoting the wrong post. but i guarantee, i was not quoting some commentary and leaving off citing it as though i was the one who wrote it -- what i wrote, came out of my own heart & head, + scripture, which i cite.

lol. are Messiah;s word pre-cross abolished?

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”

Since I have been on CC posthuman you have always been honorable about these things.

not sure what you are talking about here, but I give you Scripture from Paul , 2nd timothy to be exact- ".. the Holy Scriptures , which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ...."

so, I will continue to echo these words, we are saved by faith and trust in Jesus. you can push the Law all you want, I will continue to push the truth- Jesus was Messiah, but also Lord and Savior.

What do you think happened to the Old Covenant at the Cross, when the temple veil was torn in two?

Do you understand the meaning of the New Covenant?

Do you understand the difference between shadows and reality?

COLOSSIANS 2
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I asked a question: are Messiah;s word pre-cross abolished?

the veil was how the high priest entered the holiest place, after that the levitical priesthood was abolished and Yahshua was made High Priest forever..

Hebrews 9:24-25, “For Messiah has not entered into a Set-apart Place made by hand – figures of the true – but into the heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of יהוה on our behalf, not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters into the Set-apart Place year by year with blood not his own.”

Hebrews 10:19-21, “So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע, by a new and living way which He instituted for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the House of יהוה.”

and tell me what was "nailed to the corss"

was it the Law thatthe Messiah said will not pass unless heaven and earth pass?

and what is blotted out?

Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”

are the Law "rudiments of the world"?

ohh you twist Paul;s writings.. look at the context: "tradition of men"

Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”

according to the Messiah:

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

according to the Messiah:

Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according to his work. “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.”

If one were to be reasonable, ask yourself where is the uproar in the New T if in fact after Yeshua's sacrifice the sabbath observance was done away? It's completely silent. All those generations of Sabbath rest is gone poof overnight, and no objections? No, "are you sures...not a peep?

Sabbath is to honor the Creator isn't it? To show you bow to the Almighty who created everything that has been created. What if the 1 verse about "..let no man judge you.." is really about let no man judge you for keeping the Sabbath?

What about this? Did Paul write this?

1 Corinthian 7;19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

then the very next thing written probably wouldn't be "which things are a shadow, but the substance is found in Christ"
and the thing just before it wouldn't be "He forgave us all our sins, having cancelled the legal indebtedness"

it would be something like "you were baptized into Moses when you put your faith in Christ, therefore let no one judge you for keeping all the signs of the covenant made at Sinai, which things we command all gentiles to do, circumcising them and instructing them to keep every ordinance of the temple just as is written in the Law, which you are under"

this is a distraction question. we are saved by faith and belief and trust in Christ. Christ is Messiah and much more- Lord and Savior.

we Christians, who accept the truth of Trinity , know that when one accepts Christ, the Holy Sprit ( 3rd member of the Trinity ) comes to live inside, and pushes us to fulfill the righteous intent of the Law.

and, on the mount of transfiguration , God the Father said to hear the Son. that elevates and separates the words in Red above all Scripture, including the Torah, which, for the 117th time, gentiles never were under.