Is Christmas paganism?

Well you never apologized but you did imply the santa thing did not come from a place of mockery, honestly I took you at your word, however when you said this, it made me think that maybe you did mean that in a bad way as this seemed to have some heat behind it. IDK, I do not know you so I canlt say, Yah knows both of us and I know none are perfect.

WIth that said I would very much like for you to expound on this and your last comment, I have taken time to explain myself and my views, with honesty even at risk of accusation, I ask you do the same, if you don't feel comfprtable we can speak in the private messaging here on CC.com...

Thanks for the conversations surely from my point of view, it's come to a end... taker care God bless.

You seem quite upset over that, did you have a bad experience with Christmas? I'm sorry if you did.

Oh more pot shots? Seems to me you are the one with the issue...



Yeah your sarcastic commets show your sincerity. and yes Christams is bad, it is pagan in origin and the Romans pasted it into Christianity...

let me jump in here. shamah is Hebrew roots. a quick explanation of that= they think one has to keep the Law of Moses to be saved. they reject salvation by faith in Christ alone. they think Jesus was crucified on wed, and rose on the Sabbath, so one MUST keep the twilight fri. to twilight sat. Sabbath. they reject Christmas and Easter in favor of keeping the O.T. festivals of Isreal.

hope this sheds some light on things.

one has to keep the Law of Moses to be saved. they reject salvation by faith in Christ alone

let me jump in here. shamah is Hebrew roots. a quick explanation of that= they think one has to keep the Law of Moses to be saved. they reject salvation by faith in Christ alone. they think Jesus was crucified on wed, and rose on the Sabbath, so one MUST keep the twilight fri. to twilight sat. Sabbath. they reject Christmas and Easter in favor of keeping the O.T. festivals of Isreal.

hope this sheds some light on things.

If the focus of Christmas is on Christ, it is Christian.
If the focus of Christmas is something else, it is pagan.
Take you pick.

I think, those scriptures are talking about people who are actually doing things unto/worshipping idols.

If people are not worshipping idols on Christmas and do not feel it wrong to celebrate Christmas because they are worshipping God and not idols then it is not a sin. But if you feel it is a sin and can't do it with a clear conscious to God and not idols...then don't do it because it is a sin to you....

Can you show proof of this:



Provide a post where I have said this or are you making false witness?

anyone can look up what Hebrew roots believe , go through your posts, and see if there is a match or not.

This could be right if not for all the warning about being deceived.

The one thing about being deceived that is universal is that those who are in this condition are convinced they are not.

I would argue that there is only One power that can free us from deception of the prince of this world. But first one must "Believe" in Him and that means believing in His Words.

"Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds from the Mouth of God".

But what if the Word of God's instructions are contrary to religious traditions our family has been partaking of for centuries? Like Christmas?

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

Just try and be truthful regarding the man made tradition of Christmas and see how you are treated by your "Brothers and sisters.

You want to see the division the Christ brings, just separate yourself from religious traditions of man and stick to His Word's and watch the scriptures come alive.

I think Eve was the first example of folks following their own mind when it comes to what is Holy and Good and what is not. By the Grace of God I have learned to defer to the judgment of God where Holy Days are concerned, not my own emotion or vision. I highly recommend relying on the Word of God over the traditions of man. It may not be the most popular move, but the freedom is worth it in this life. And I'm quite sure the Messiah won't be angry if I don't partake of a High Day created by man.

Well you can either provide my words saying what you claim or can not. If you can not you have made false witness.

What other believe and do has no bearing on what I believe and do. A similar doctrine ere or there does not make me guilty of others errors. Im sure we can find a single doctrine the we both believe that Mormons believe, does that then make both of us guilty of their many errors?

I do not have to provide your words. you see, one of the cool things about this site is, after 5 minutes, you cannot delete your words. all your posts are here. anyone can look.

so, you provide your words.

SO I take that as you saying no you can not show where I said what you claim but you want the accusation to stick...

I do not have to provide your words. you see, one of the cool things about this site is, after 5 minutes, you cannot delete your words. all your posts are here. anyone can look.

so, you provide your words.

as I said, anyone can look up Hebrew roots , look back through your posts, and see if there is a match.

but. on a personal note, this makes me angry and sad. the world is getting more evil and satanic by the hour, the anti- Christ is getting closer, and the new world order is taking more and more control, and we fight over stupid stuff. because folks like you will not accept salvation by Grace and Faith.. in Christ.

this is not a game and not funny. you and needs to studyman chose to attack us who push Christ alone for salvation, we should stand together against the evil new world order, preach Christ , Lord and Savior, but, you and others would rather attack celebrating His birth and , most important , His Resurrection .

I've been a member here about 5 years. I've not read every single post Shamah has made, but the ones I have he has never said he relied on himself to save himself. He knows we are saved by faith, and he also says we should obey Christ/Messiah. I agree.