Do you believe there will be animal sacrifices in the millennium?

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Will there be animal sacrifices in the millennium?

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  • No

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preston39

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Those 144,000 are Jewish evangelists that will be sent out all over the world to proclaim the Word of God, under the Jewish economy..... ."

B...,
I have looked for that type of specifics concerning the 144,000.
If you have validation of your opinion...from scriptures...please share.
 
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#83
All I have is what the Book of Revelation says . . .

They are Jewish . . . they have a seal on their forehead which protects them from the Antichrist's forces . . . they are servants of God

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand" (Revelation 7:1-8).

That seal on their foreheads was the Father's name (not a mark of the beast) . . . they are virgins . . .

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God" (Revelation 14:1-5).

That they were 'evangelists' of the message of God seems to fit their proximity with the two witnesses that are eventually martyred and then resurrected and ascend into heaven before the sight of the whole world.

And this Tribulation passage . . .

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call" (Joel 2:28-32).
 

TheDivineWatermark

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preston39, I see it that way too, based on the following (which I posted some of this elsewhere):

--"the beginning of birth PANGS" (Matt24:4-8/Mk13:5-8/Lk21:8-11) are the equivalent of the SEALS of Rev6 which kick off the tribulation period (the 7-yrs/70th-Wk; …"the Church which is His body" will not be present on the earth); Thus Matt24:14[26:13] is what will be taking place WITHIN the trib

--Matt22:7-8 supplies a SEQUENCE (v.7 = 70ad events; v.8 "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" = the 95ad writing of "The Revelation," where verse 1 states "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God GAVE UNTO HIM [Jesus], to shew unto His servants [see 7:3] things which must come to pass [see 4:1, FUTURE things] IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" (not things taking place over the course of some 2000 yrs, but within the future 7-yrs/70th-Wk). [see also Rev19:9 (the "INVITATION" to the earthly MK [going out DURING trib]), as distinct from 19:7 (the MARRIAGE itself, already taken place IN HEAVEN, by then!)]

--more, but I'm outta gas...
 

preston39

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All I have is what the Book of Revelation says . . .

They are Jewish . . . they have a seal on their forehead which protects them from the Antichrist's forces . . . they are servants of God

"And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand" (Revelation 7:1-8).

That seal on their foreheads was the Father's name (not a mark of the beast) . . . they are virgins . . .

"And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God" (Revelation 14:1-5).

That they were 'evangelists' of the message of God seems to fit their proximity with the two witnesses that are eventually martyred and then resurrected and ascend into heaven before the sight of the whole world.

And this Tribulation passage . . .

"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call" (Joel 2:28-32).
B...,
Thanks...I am aware of those scriptures.
I get a sense that they (the 144,000) are Hebrew Christians (not Jews) and have been searching for scriptures of that nature.
 
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B...,
Thanks...I am aware of those scriptures.
I get a sense that they (the 144,000) are Hebrew Christians and have been searching for scriptures of that nature.
They are Hebrews . . . 12,000 from each tribe. Some say the 12 tribes are lost and therefore no longer extant. Well, God knows where they are and He finds them.
 
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#88
Well i and others do not believe we are in the millennium.. We believe the millennium starts on the day of the return of Jesus..

He is already here. Are you hopping he will come again and put temporal flesh as that seen that he said...... profits for nothing ?The veil is rent signaling He did come in the flesh for a one time demonstration of God pouring out his unseen Spirit.

When the Son of man, as the Son of God comes he is coming in the invisible glory of the father not seen. We already have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in the new temples? Why look for a literal temple made up of earthly stones? The believers as the temple of God. We are typified as many lively stones that do make up the spiritual unseen house of God, the church.

1 Peter 2:5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ

We walk by faith and not by sight according to 2 Corinthians 4:18

Christ said its an evil generation that requires a sign before they will believe in performing that the outward Jew blindly stumbled over the cross



What is missing other than he will come on the last day as a thief in the night?
 

Adstar

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He is already here. Are you hopping he will come again and put temporal flesh as that seen that he said...... profits for nothing ?The veil is rent signaling He did come in the flesh for a one time demonstration of God pouring out his unseen Spirit.

When the Son of man, as the Son of God comes he is coming in the invisible glory of the father not seen. We already have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in the new temples? Why look for a literal temple made up of earthly stones? The believers as the temple of God. We are typified as many lively stones that do make up the spiritual unseen house of God, the church.

1 Peter 2:5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ

We walk by faith and not by sight according to 2 Corinthians 4:18

Christ said its an evil generation that requires a sign before they will believe in performing that the outward Jew blindly stumbled over the cross



What is missing other than he will come on the last day as a thief in the night?
If you deny a future physical return of the LORD Jesus then we are not in the same religion..

The coming of the Holy Spirit which is One with Jesus on the day of Pentecost is not the promised physical return of Jesus.. When Jesus ascended into heaven the angels told the Apostles that Jesus was return as He left.. And the prophecies of His return state quite clearly that when He descends His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives and also when He stands there there will be a great earthquake and the mountain will be split apart..

Zechariah 14: KJV
1 "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. {2} For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. {3} Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. {4} ¶ And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

The Above scripture clearly reveals a physical return of Jesus.. He will return in His glorious eternal body..

People who believe in an invisible return have been deceived..

Acts 1: KJV
9 "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. {10} And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; {11} Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."
 
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B...,
Thanks...I am aware of those scriptures.
I get a sense that they (the 144,000) are Hebrew Christians (not Jews) and have been searching for scriptures of that nature.
Both Hebrew and Gentile Christians. no division between a gentile and a Jew. Those which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

It is speaking of the new creation not after the flesh

Tribes represent gates in parables , as apostles represent the walls, both included in the golden measure where the word thousand or thousands represent a unknown. Together they describe the chaste virgin bride of Christ, the church.

God does number his people who walk by faith, the unseen eternal

And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.Revelation 21;15-17

Not just the gates as tribes but those sent out on this side of the reformation (apostles) also as walls
 

preston39

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Both Hebrew and Gentile Christians. no division between a gentile and a Jew. Those which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

It is speaking of the new creation not after the flesh

Tribes represent gates in parables , as apostles represent the walls, both included in the golden measure where the word thousand or thousands represent a unknown. Together they describe the chaste virgin bride of Christ, the church.

God does number his people who walk by faith, the unseen eternal

And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.Revelation 21;15-17

Not just the gates as tribes but those sent out on this side of the reformation (apostles) also as walls
g...,

Please explain...in what context?
 
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It's going to be pretty hard for the Messiah to sit on the throne of David unless He has a physical body.
 

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Paul mentions that priests are still offering sacrifices to God
on earth, even after Christ's death on the cross.

(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.

If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are
already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
 
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#94
If you deny a future physical return of the LORD Jesus then we are not in the same religion..

The coming of the Holy Spirit which is One with Jesus on the day of Pentecost is not the promised physical return of Jesus.. When Jesus ascended into heaven the angels told the Apostles that Jesus was return as He left.. And the prophecies of His return state quite clearly that when He descends His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives and also when He stands there there will be a great earthquake and the mountain will be split apart..

Zechariah 14: KJV
1 "Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. {2} For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. {3} Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. {4} ¶ And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

The Above scripture clearly reveals a physical return of Jesus.. He will return in His glorious eternal body..

People who believe in an invisible return have been deceived..

Acts 1: KJV
9 "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. {10} And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; {11} Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

If you deny a future physical return of the LORD Jesus then we are not in the same religion..
I think we have a different understanding pertaining to the flesh as that seen, same savior not a salvation issue more one I belive as to how can we hear God not seen. . The same error the Catholics and Jehovah witness make they desire to make it about the literal flesh and blood.

The life of the flesh is in the blood but is not lirteal blood without the life of the spirit or breath of God. Blood is used to represent the spirit just as water. (two things seen the temporal)

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also James 2:26

God is not a man as us, never was never could be a creation. He is the faithful Creator. When he came as the Son of God, Christ... it was in respect to our invisible God typified as the father who is not a man as us .

Many disciples who walked after the flesh the s things seen the temporal were offended (a hard saying, refusing to hear).
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life .John 6:60 -63

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."(no form)
 
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It's going to be pretty hard for the Messiah to sit on the throne of David unless He has a physical body.
One throne, one Spirit (the father and I are one)

Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Lamb not man.
 
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You are saying that a lamb is literally going to sit on a throne?

How are the Jews going to recognize their Messiah in Zechariah?

"And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends" (Zechariah 13:6).

In order for them to see the wounds He is going to need to have a physical body.
 

preston39

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One throne, one Spirit (the father and I are one)

Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Lamb not man.
g...,
What Bible edition do you rely on?
 

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whoah whoah 'not a robot or it's not real love'

lawl

:LOL:

Jacobus Arminius, busted
For cause: https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6213.htm

God putting His Spirit in us causes us to walk in His statutes, it permits us to. It isn't that He has forced us, or that we're robotic, as you know Christians still sin (and are being sanctified). It still is a surrender of the will.
 

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I think we have a different understanding pertaining to the flesh as that seen, same savior not a salvation issue more one I belive as to how can we hear God not seen. . The same error the Catholics and Jehovah witness make they desire to make it about the literal flesh and blood.

The life of the flesh is in the blood but is not lirteal blood without the life of the spirit or breath of God. Blood is used to represent the spirit just as water. (two things seen the temporal)

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also James 2:26

God is not a man as us, never was never could be a creation. He is the faithful Creator. When he came as the Son of God, Christ... it was in respect to our invisible God typified as the father who is not a man as us .

Many disciples who walked after the flesh the s things seen the temporal were offended (a hard saying, refusing to hear).
Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life .John 6:60 -63

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.2 Corinthians 5:16

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."(no form)
What has all these scriptures got to do with Jesus physical return?

And when i was a catholic i believed i would go to heaven and be up there without a body forever.. It was only after i read the Bible that i believed i would receive a New body and have that perfect new body for eternity and live with Jesus in the New Jerusalem on earth...

And the last scripture quote this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven ... Jesus was raised into Heaven in a Physical Body.. And He will come again in like manor in a physical body.. His feet will physically touch the ground on the Mount of Olives..
 

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Heb 10:1-12 "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect? For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he sayeth, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, lo, I come (in the volume of the book it5 is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offering and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; then he said, lo, I come to do thy will O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down at the right hand of God."

So, based upon the above scriptures; There will be No animal sacrifices in the future.

Maranatha!
I believe that the millennial sacrifices will be memorials, not for the purpose of atoning for sin.

That Scripture highlighted does even close to say there will be no sacrifices in the millennium. It says that Jesus sacrifice is the only sacrifice needed for sins forever.