Gay & Lesbian inclusivity in the Church
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I'll let the commentary speak for itself. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_corinthians/6-12.htm
Look if we approach this rationally, using the disconnected and reassembled texts from a variety of Christian writers across time isn't a smart way to come to a conclusion about how you include, treat and approach people in the year 2018. I hate to be the one to cast shade on some baseless assumptions here but; You cannot demonstrate that the bible is the inerrant word of God (quoting another bible verse isn't proof duh)- The bible as you know it is a curated collection of texts assembled to reflect particular theologies (there's a whole 2000 years of history between each and every verse). Prior to the cannon you have now in your hands there were many other gospels and epistles that eventually got backlogged as Hersey or apocrypha. Who cares frankly what "Paul" if he even is the author of half the text thought- The true authorship of the Epistles is not all attributable to Paul (at least for some of them) and there are even individual versus within the Pauline epistles that are later Christian interpolations- and frankly some of those views are just flat out ridiculous. There's good lessons to be learnt from reading many parts of many religious texts because introspective human thought is a good thing; however, declaring that your prescriptive moralities which condemn others for natural human relationships are superior and the only possible correct approach to life is a much greater evil. It's pig-headed, stone-hearted dogmatic egotistical showboating. Like, yeah your read the bible good on you. So what. If it makes you treat others as lesser - including denying them fellowship in a group than it's worthless and doing so just highlights your own insecurity, fixations and arrogance. Have some flexibility of mind to at least question your own assumptions when reading. It's basic critical literacy.
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ARE ALL HOMOSEXUALS INSTANTLY DELIVERED AT THE MOMENT OF SALVATION?
In fact, yes! Actually, it can be no other way, if Salvation is to be Salvation (II Cor. 5:17-18); however, whereas this terrible bondage, as with other problems such as temper, alcohol, nicotine, etc., are at times broken immediately, with some, certain things regarding particular victory does not come quite so quickly. In other words, at times there is a struggle. However, the Lord does not throw us out if we fail or slip back, but, in fact, instantly forgives us as we ask for such (I Jn. 1:9). Consequently, the new Believer must continue to believe God, making certain that his Faith is strictly in Christ and the Cross, which, as stated, will then give the Holy Spirit latitude to work within his life, which will ultimately bring victory. In fact, the struggle may continue for a period of time, but if the Believer keeps his Faith in Christ and the Cross, and doesn’t allow it to be moved to something else, ultimately, that sin will no longer have dominion over that person, whatever type of sin it might be. Paul said:
“For sin shall not have dominion over you (the sin nature will not have dominion over us if we as Believers continue to exercise Faith in the Cross of Christ; otherwise, the sin nature most definitely will have dominion over the Believer): for you are not under the Law (means that if we try to live this life by any type of law, no matter how good that law might be in its own right, we will conclude by the sin nature having dominion over us), but under Grace (the Grace of God flows to the Believer on an unending basis only as long as the Believer exercises Faith in Christ and what He did at the Cross; Grace is merely the Goodness of God exercised by and through the Holy Spirit, and given to undeserving Saints)” (Rom. 6:14).
JSM
In fact, yes! Actually, it can be no other way, if Salvation is to be Salvation (II Cor. 5:17-18); however, whereas this terrible bondage, as with other problems such as temper, alcohol, nicotine, etc., are at times broken immediately, with some, certain things regarding particular victory does not come quite so quickly. In other words, at times there is a struggle. However, the Lord does not throw us out if we fail or slip back, but, in fact, instantly forgives us as we ask for such (I Jn. 1:9). Consequently, the new Believer must continue to believe God, making certain that his Faith is strictly in Christ and the Cross, which, as stated, will then give the Holy Spirit latitude to work within his life, which will ultimately bring victory. In fact, the struggle may continue for a period of time, but if the Believer keeps his Faith in Christ and the Cross, and doesn’t allow it to be moved to something else, ultimately, that sin will no longer have dominion over that person, whatever type of sin it might be. Paul said:
“For sin shall not have dominion over you (the sin nature will not have dominion over us if we as Believers continue to exercise Faith in the Cross of Christ; otherwise, the sin nature most definitely will have dominion over the Believer): for you are not under the Law (means that if we try to live this life by any type of law, no matter how good that law might be in its own right, we will conclude by the sin nature having dominion over us), but under Grace (the Grace of God flows to the Believer on an unending basis only as long as the Believer exercises Faith in Christ and what He did at the Cross; Grace is merely the Goodness of God exercised by and through the Holy Spirit, and given to undeserving Saints)” (Rom. 6:14).
JSM
They're not 'clearly defined' as 'our' moral code. - and I am sure who you mean by our but I assume you mean other Christians. Either way, there are Christians who disagree that such exclusion is part of their 'moral code'. And, there are others who would disagree that such a dogmatic interpretation of scripture is wise, fruitful or even intelligent. You're choosing to read a text that was written by unknown authors and has been added to and redacted at various times throughout history. Literally, that is the history of those books and yet people choose to go with their half cooked - misinformed 'holy spirit tole me' gut-feeling and give themselves over to a dogmatic, legalistic, moralizing position that puts THEIR interpretation of a book ahead of anything / anyone else. Not the way to be a productive fruitful person. You'll be forever finger-waging at everyone around you and at yourself, nay-saying till you die. Some people are Gay- some people who are gay are also religious - some of those people like to go to church too.
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God doesn't block the entry into a church by all sinners. Were that actually true there would not be one church with a butt in the seat.
Tragically, you've no comprehension. Just condemnation. That serves though as a warning of what causes some sinners to avoid the faith. Because certain of those who claim the faith are not at all like Christ. I have nothing more to say to you in this thread. It is not productive to continue speaking to that which has no comprehension.
Tragically, you've no comprehension. Just condemnation. That serves though as a warning of what causes some sinners to avoid the faith. Because certain of those who claim the faith are not at all like Christ. I have nothing more to say to you in this thread. It is not productive to continue speaking to that which has no comprehension.
I have a friend who left a new church they'd entered to see if it was a good fit. I told them to call me after and update .
She was not yet a Christian but wanted to find community and the leading in her spirit to a good church.
She said of her experience that it is very sad when a pastor and those shouting him their Amen approvals behave as if they need to repent as sinners and find Christ.
Jesus never taught hate. When that kind of church opens its doors, the wise run out.
She was not yet a Christian but wanted to find community and the leading in her spirit to a good church.
She said of her experience that it is very sad when a pastor and those shouting him their Amen approvals behave as if they need to repent as sinners and find Christ.
Jesus never taught hate. When that kind of church opens its doors, the wise run out.
Exactly if they are not abiding in the truth of God the church has a responsibility to discipline them in a way that they could gain victory . Which could be to disfellowship them. In that way the church will not partake in the rebellion. Whatever it is.
God's Judgement begins with the church she is the representative glory of His glory not seen.
God's Judgement begins with the church she is the representative glory of His glory not seen.
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I think it may help if you read the context in Paul's letter to the Roman's in the church there. https://www.studylight.org/commentary/romans/1-26.html