Gay & Lesbian inclusivity in the Church
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The best question is, should people who sin be allowed in your church.
Renouncing sin is the first or at the head of our first duties after receiving the Holy Spirit from Yeshua, Jesus...….
As believers we are not automatically set up to judge others for their sinss, yet these questions continually are introduced so unnecessarily.
Never use your salvation as an excuse to judge any to condemnation for in so doing you will receive the same mercy you have shown others..
Juidgment will be hande over to the saints in God's time on His day, and when it is, I pray to judge just as did and does our Savior…..Father, forgive them for they know not what they do...……..this includes all who sin....show me one who does not, and yu will be showing Jesus, Yesua.
Praise god always, amen.
Renouncing sin is the first or at the head of our first duties after receiving the Holy Spirit from Yeshua, Jesus...….
As believers we are not automatically set up to judge others for their sinss, yet these questions continually are introduced so unnecessarily.
Never use your salvation as an excuse to judge any to condemnation for in so doing you will receive the same mercy you have shown others..
Juidgment will be hande over to the saints in God's time on His day, and when it is, I pray to judge just as did and does our Savior…..Father, forgive them for they know not what they do...……..this includes all who sin....show me one who does not, and yu will be showing Jesus, Yesua.
Praise god always, amen.
M
Church is not an exclusive club (unless you are a Pharisee).
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Romans 10:14 NKJV
[14] How then shall they call on Him in whom they have
not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they
have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Romans 10:14 NKJV
[14] How then shall they call on Him in whom they have
not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they
have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
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I am all for an inclusive church and we all need salvation.
"Our" church has it's pride in being inclusive. That everyone are welcome as they are is a good thing. But when you starting watering down the message because of it, it becomes a problem. The church needs to get down to business and point out we are all sinners in need of salvation, we need to repent, we need Jesus and ultimately we will face judgement. There is a Heaven and Hell. To receive salvation you need to repent and quit doing the sin you were convicted of. I am so sick and tired of a church that is ashamed of the gospel! A lukewarm, inclusive church where sin and repentance are wiped out of the sermons.
"Our" church has it's pride in being inclusive. That everyone are welcome as they are is a good thing. But when you starting watering down the message because of it, it becomes a problem. The church needs to get down to business and point out we are all sinners in need of salvation, we need to repent, we need Jesus and ultimately we will face judgement. There is a Heaven and Hell. To receive salvation you need to repent and quit doing the sin you were convicted of. I am so sick and tired of a church that is ashamed of the gospel! A lukewarm, inclusive church where sin and repentance are wiped out of the sermons.
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We must show mercy whenever it is needed to demonstrate, however no member of an assembly should live in sin...……….now looking at the law, which if broken is a sin, we find all who practice carnal realtions, even if married and with each other are considered unclean until they perform crtain rituals……..I do not hold to his, but it is a "former" law...….
I believe Jesus has earned what was His, judgment, so as long aqs ay member aibdes by the assembly there is no reason not to include all, even people who have killed…….but all must recognize his or her sins.
I play it safe and do not judge anyone so I will not be judged.
Any who arer contraqry to the assembly are juist that, so if you allow people in continue, if you disallow some for conduct unbecoming your assembly, continue…...…...but do not judge and always show mercy.
I believe Jesus has earned what was His, judgment, so as long aqs ay member aibdes by the assembly there is no reason not to include all, even people who have killed…….but all must recognize his or her sins.
I play it safe and do not judge anyone so I will not be judged.
Any who arer contraqry to the assembly are juist that, so if you allow people in continue, if you disallow some for conduct unbecoming your assembly, continue…...…...but do not judge and always show mercy.
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I believe Christians ARE the Church. If you are a Christian, you are following Christ. If you are following Christ, you would not be active in a homosexual relationship, just like you wouldn’t be a thief, or a murderer. Those who put their sexual desires ahead of Christ are not worthy of Christ, heterosexual or otherwise.
If you claim you are gay but not practicing, then that is different. We are all reformed sinners.
If you claim you are gay but not practicing, then that is different. We are all reformed sinners.
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If they are proud of their sexuality and live a gay/lesbian lifestyle openly they should not be a part of fellowship.
If they are repentant of their lifestyle and do their best to resist their sexual deviancy then they like all other repentant sinners should have access to fellowship with other Christians.
If they are repentant of their lifestyle and do their best to resist their sexual deviancy then they like all other repentant sinners should have access to fellowship with other Christians.
To the ones that posted that we should be inclusive and proud . . . and welcome sodomites in the church. Let me ask you this. Suppose I am openly an adulterer? Would you welcome me into your church? You men, wouldn't you be the least little concerned that I might be eyeing your wife as my next conquest?
When it comes to allowing those that defile themselves with mankind into the congregation, shouldn't you be concerned about your son? What if the 'openly' homosexual person becomes a Sunday school teacher and your child is in it's class?
When it comes to allowing those that defile themselves with mankind into the congregation, shouldn't you be concerned about your son? What if the 'openly' homosexual person becomes a Sunday school teacher and your child is in it's class?
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My question to the OP, is why in the world WOULD people in OBVIOUS REBELLION and GODLESSNESS, want to be even SEEN in such an "assembly?" Should the Spirit of Christ be in such an assembly, then, as these people got closer to the door? They would be TOO ASHAMED, concerning themselves, and their rebelliousness, to even get close to the door. Let alone come in!
IMHO? They are not there to repent! They are come "in the NAME of MOCKERY!"
They absolutely should be allowed to join the church. If the requirement to join the church is spiritual perfection in one's life the place would be empty. Jesus was talking once to a small group and said that there were others that were not of this flock that He must gather in also. Not sure what your reference to marriage is about.
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IMO, nope.. Gay, lesbian, transgender, the alphabet people don't care about church, religion or Jesus. If they did, they wouldn't be part of the alphabet people.. :/ So no, they shouldn't be allowed to attend church because what's the point of it? To sit there and mock God's command to not lay with another of their same gender?
That's why I refuse to go to any of the churches here in town. They proudly display the gay pride flags on their front doors and windows. Those are NOT churches that I plan on attending services in..
I don't hate the alphabet people, several of my friends and neighbors are alphabet. But I don't like or condone their lifestyle, and I certainly don't think they need to...pervert..our churches any more than they already are..
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Methinks we need a more specific definition of the term "OPENLY" by the OP.
My response was to the term "openly."
Such as holding onto each other for dear life!
Or, open displays of "affection!"
To take it "Way Back?" Like the Sons of Aaron whom God STRUCK DEAD ON THE SPOT WHERE THEY STOOD! When they brought "strange fire", into His Presence!
People like this serve "other gods!" And, the "love" for these "other god/s", are made manifest in behaviors, such as this!
My response was to the term "openly."
Such as holding onto each other for dear life!
Or, open displays of "affection!"
To take it "Way Back?" Like the Sons of Aaron whom God STRUCK DEAD ON THE SPOT WHERE THEY STOOD! When they brought "strange fire", into His Presence!
People like this serve "other gods!" And, the "love" for these "other god/s", are made manifest in behaviors, such as this!
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So many assumptions, the OP was should they be allowed to join a church. If by joining you mean “attend a church” then yes!
There are plenty of unsaved “Christians”
attending churches every day. See my post above which had this verse.
Romans 10:14 NKJV
[14] How then shall they call on Him in whom they have
not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they
have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
If you mean become an official church member that’s a different matter. In my church there are certain things that church members are expected to do, live, be etc. First one is being born again. Also
As a church member you are declaring that you put yourself under the authority of the church which includes church discipline and church accountability.
In that sense no one who was unsaved and a practicing homosexuality, would want to be a member or could be a member.
But in so far as can they attend church, join in with meetings, services etc - then yes absolutely. Let’s get them saved and set them free for goodness sake.
Incidentally there are various ministries you cannot volunteer for if you are not a member. For example the worship team, youth and children’s work, prayer ministry to name a few. My church does practice New Testament discipline and accountability of its members.
For example we had a situation where a man abandoned his wife and was seeing another woman. He was asked to resigned his membership because he would not repent.
There are plenty of unsaved “Christians”
attending churches every day. See my post above which had this verse.
Romans 10:14 NKJV
[14] How then shall they call on Him in whom they have
not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they
have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
If you mean become an official church member that’s a different matter. In my church there are certain things that church members are expected to do, live, be etc. First one is being born again. Also
As a church member you are declaring that you put yourself under the authority of the church which includes church discipline and church accountability.
In that sense no one who was unsaved and a practicing homosexuality, would want to be a member or could be a member.
But in so far as can they attend church, join in with meetings, services etc - then yes absolutely. Let’s get them saved and set them free for goodness sake.
Incidentally there are various ministries you cannot volunteer for if you are not a member. For example the worship team, youth and children’s work, prayer ministry to name a few. My church does practice New Testament discipline and accountability of its members.
For example we had a situation where a man abandoned his wife and was seeing another woman. He was asked to resigned his membership because he would not repent.
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