If you’re planning to go on a date with someone special, who should pay for it?

I agree that women are repulsed by perusing men. Women want strong men, but pursuit is weakness. If you pursue a woman, you devalue yourself in her eyes. And, if the woman doesn't find you attractive, pursuing her and then asking her out is not going to end well.

I don't think asking a woman out equals pursuit, at least not in a significant way. Let her she pursue you, and then you seal the deal.

Observation. I have some homework for you. What is your favorite James Bond movie? Which ever it is, watch it as soon as you can. WHOM makes the first move, Bond or the Bond girl? I think you'll be shocked to realized that in all of the ACTUAL Bond movies (screw you, Daniel Craig), the bond girl is the first to make a move. Every time.

The concept of a man "pursuing" is quite recent. In fact, we all of the image in our minds of a bombshell locking eyes across the room, smiling, and imploring you to "approach". Because women are in constant competition with other women, they want to "feel" like they have "won" a man away from all of the other women. Millennial women are repulsed by pursuing men, because a man who pursues instantly removes the woman's desire to work for his affections. Now? Women huddle with their friends, they swipe left or right, and don't dare smile at a guy, let alone look at them. And then they wonder why we don't "approach". They bought into the feminist LIE that "hard-to-get" works. No self-respecting man would "pursue" such a woman.

We men are different; we hate pursuing. We understand that love is to be given freely and that it isn't some "transaction". We also enjoy equal effort. This is why we almost always feel guilty after rejecting a woman; because opportunities for us are slim to none compared to women, and we miss the attention.

The more a man focuses on his life's purpose, the more women become interested in him. The more he focuses on her, the less interested she is in him.

Ruth pursued Boaz.
Rebekah had to convince Isaac.
Potipher's Wife tried to rape Joseph.
Bathsehba seduced David.
Rachael presented herself to Jacob.
Abigail presented herself to David.
Eve was given to Adam.

There are countless upon countless examples in the Bible of women pursuing men ... and I've yet to find a single example of men pursuing women.

Men just are not nearly as sexual as women are either, so it makes little logical sense for men to be pursuing what women absolutely crave more than we do anyways.

I understand that many Christian women have been BRAINWASHED by church "leader" in waiting for men to ask them out. They do so at their own peril, mainly because Millennial men are often way to busy to even consider a woman who doesn't show her interest as potential. We just are not designed to go through life trying to convince women to like us; either she is interested from the get-go, or nothing develops. And if she is interested, she needs to SAY IT.

Dating is a new thing historically.
Most marriages of importance were arranged between families or on a rare occasion pursued by the man.

If a woman pursued or seduced she was labelled loose.
Don't use the Bible to make a non existing point!

WRONG.

Marriage WAS NOT "pursued" by the man.

If you like me, and want to play "hard-to-get" and give me absolutely no insight into who you are or what kind of character you have, then I as a man will never be interested in you.

Women initiate, men respond.

Silly and Unbiblical

This is silly, and I already rebutted all your terrible theology in post#202 above.

I don't care what views you hold about dating.
I honestly don't care.
However, I do care when you try to foist them on the whole forum,
and claim they're scriptural.

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FYI: I'm not going to respond to a PDF attachment.
If you want to debate me, put your arguments right in the forum, in plain text, so everyone can see them.


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WRONG.

Marriage WAS NOT "pursued" by the man.

If you like me, and want to play "hard-to-get" and give me absolutely no insight into who you are or what kind of character you have, then I as a man will never be interested in you.

Women initiate, men respond.

Man is the one shall ask the woman to marry. What happens before that is not really relevant. For us as Christians we should act when prompted to by the Spirit. In my case, I did some kind of initiative, but he brought up the marriage question. For us it is also a question of being obedient to what God has planned for us.

I don't care who pays for the date, but if the man asks, he pays. If the woman asks, she pays. If a date comes from a discussion and an agreement, split the bill.

My biggest concern here is keep the Bible out of it, because it is just a constructed argument that falls on historical facts

The historical and Biblical facts are that a woman shows romantic/sexual desire for a man, AND THEN he decides to consider her as a partner ...

Now. I didn't want to go there.... but. Some historians have said Mary's age was around 13 when she became pregnant with Jesus. Don't tell me she was playing sexually attractive to Joseph! To claim you have Biblical proof for your statements are just beyond reason

The original post in this thread is a sample of issues I have dating Christian millennial women. American women, in general, are probably among the most obnoxious in the world. What kind of crazy world do we live in when women march down the street wearing hats designed to look like their genitalia, apparently with the blessing of a small majority of women?

Just look at the hysterical replies to my post. Nothing lady-like in a number of them. If a woman posted opinions something like I posted, men wouldn't respond in such a nasty way.

Have you MET Millennial women???

Scenario: you are going on a date with someone that you are very interested and invested in. You’ve known them for a while now, say 2-3 months, and you both finally agree to go on this special date.

In terms of expenses (travel, food, venue, etc) who should pay for the date? Her? Him? Both?

Myth: there’s always been that myth that ‘men should pay’ as it’s a gentlemen’s approach or tradition. Do you agree?

Real life experiences: feel free to share any real life experiences that you’ve had in this area that might be of good advice for those who haven’t experienced this area yet.

Overall, I’m interested to see some answers and/or experiences. View attachment 185183

My Philosophy on who should make the first move.

1. I don't care, and I can't really see from scripture that God cares either.

2. It's a little silly to search too deeply for "dating rules" in an ancient text where NOBODY WAS DATING.

3. The most Biblical solution I can see is to APPLY GENERAL CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES to dating, just like we do with everything else.
Be right with God, pray for your needs, put your relationship with God above all things, make your requests known to God, serve God as he leads you... and don't be afraid to throw in some "seeking" if you feel led, that's perfectly Biblical.

4. Full disclosure: I don't chase women.
- By that I mean I don't chase them about like a desperate dog in heat that can't get a date... it seems kinda uncool, lol.
- But I certainly do talk to them, or make the first move, if I feel like doing that.
- I HONESTLY JUST DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!!!!

Relax people... God doesn't explain this too much in scripture because it's not mysterious!
Guys and girls have been getting together for thousands of years!
It's not a mystery!




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