Gay stuff, not saying which way to judge, but hear the person before you judge

One cannot justify one sin by pointing out another sin. Many self-profession “gay Christians” have that in the repertoire as a method of “Gay Christian “apologetics. It is in the context of "gays" who Identify with the sin of homosexuality other sins do not have that normative. IN sin, we do not ID with the sin as to what we are (as a Christian)but as to what we did. The action was sinful, the act is sinful. “gay Christians” do that very thing. They see their sin as who they are and God love them In it. That is wrong. even in your explanation you state:


"tolerance and love and allowing gays into a church building." you are sold on the idea they are in fact gay. I never hear anyone say
tolerance and love allowing drunk into a church building. Drunkenness it not who they are it is what they are doing. Is there such a thing as a drunk Christian? How about a Christian bank robber? NO! when we are saved we do not identify with the sin we Identify with Christ!
There is not such thing asa a "gay sinner" you are elitzing sin. They are a sinner who is doing the act of homosexuality

There is no such term in Apologetics nor in Christian reason as, elitzing sin.
You miss the point of my observation. Though your post does serve to make the one at the end of my observation valid by example. Thank you for that.

I'm not suggesting the fact of " gay aka liberial apologetics . it is taught.

I don't understand that sentence.

I would like for someone who is or was i mean LGBT to PM me and tell me how this thing goes.
I wont say anything about it obviously.

But I would like to know: Did you (if you are one) have gay thoughts since FOREVER, or is this something that happened later on? And did you get rid of them, and how?

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I have never had gay thoughts

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I do not think this is true.

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God does not condone homosexuality for that is not how He created the natural world to act.

Also homosexuality does not fall under the category of love, but lust, and we know that the part of the body that the men use for sex with each other God did not create for that purpose.

They think it is love when they have an attraction to the same sex, but it is not love.

A man can love a man, and a woman can love a woman, as a person would love another person for God wants us to love all people, which means you want the best for them no matter how they act towards you or other people for we are to feed and clothe our enemies, and love them.

But love does not apply if it is a sexual relationship, or marriage between the same sex, and would be considered the same as if a person had sex with an animal for God did not create that either to occur in the natural realm, which both is an abomination to God.

Also the Bible says that a man should have short hair for he is in the image of God, and long hair on a man is a shame to him for even nature teaches that, and a woman should have long hair because of the angels and is a glory to her.

A man or a woman that is homosexual not only goes against the spiritual realm, but also goes against the physical realm, and these people do not apply to the operation of either world, spiritual or physical.

The Bible says that creation testifies there is a God, and of His attributes, so no one has an excuse for not believing in a higher power that created all things, and covers the 2 greatest laws, love God, and love people.

It would seem like it would be an instinct in people to gravitate towards the opposite sex for that is how God created the natural realm to operate, and something happened along the way, whatever it is, to cause them to want to gravitate towards the opposite sex, and they went in opposition to the natural realm.

But the rise of homosexuality is something they are pushing, for it is the occultists who have the power, and the powers to be want population reduction on blessed mother earth, Gaia.

Feminism, transgender, gender neutral, you are born homosexual, is all designed to drive a wedge between men and women so they will fight with each other so they will not come together for the purpose of population reduction, and that is why there is such a rise in homosexuality, and a lot of people are not happy today with the high selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting society, compared to years ago, so they might think that trying homosexuality might make them happy.

The same as people that turn to drugs, over eating, or whatever to try to make them happy.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and the Bible says they will forbid to marry which would be for population reduction, and command to abstain from meats for they reverence animals, or care about mother earth to not hurt the animals.

Which when the nations come together and say Peace and safety it will be international law that a woman and a man cannot marry, and to not eat meat.

So they are getting the ball rolling on both things right now so that does not help the cause of telling people that homosexuality is wrong when they are pushing it on purpose making it become worse with that influence than if they did not do it and some did it on their own.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

We are not to condone homosexuality but in a great house there are some to honor, and some to dishonor, and if the homosexual does not create any problems concerning their behavior they should be able to go to Church, for will they kick out the selfish, and greedy, and stealers, and adulterers, and the such too.

But of course if it is a Church that preaches the holiness of Jesus, and to be Christlike by the Spirit, I doubt there would not be any homosexuals there, and if so very few and probably thinking about giving it up.

So it would be a place that accepts lower standards than the holiness of God, and it gets worse, for first they are loving material things, and money, and neglecting the poor and needy, then later they add to that fleshy pleasures, and worldliness, and then later add to that homosexuality, and soon the new age movement will be the final addition to the hypocrisy of people claiming to be with Christ.

So I suppose that this post is mainly why homosexuality is rising so much, for they are pushing it on purpose, and men and women do not get along like they used to so many turn to homosexuality compared to prior to the 1960's when they were not pushing it like that so only a few would turn to homosexuality without the influence that is going on today.

But their plan is all on a time schedule, and they were not ready to put it out until the 1960's when morals and values started to slip a lot.

But sin allowed might cause more sin to be in their life.

Which an example of a place that is relaxed in the holiness of God is that my sister has a friend that is a woman that claims to be a deacon of a Church, and also a Chaplain of Hospice, but she is homosexual and in a relationship with a woman, but she also goes to the bar and drinks alcohol, and does the drug cocaine.

So the only thing to say is it is over for the children are the future, and they will be taught less and less morals, and taught more and more falsehood of the Bible, and they do not even realize that it will end up to the hurt of many people as they allow the new age movement to be the correct interpretation of the Bible in the future, and they will end up rebelling against God.

And it is over for the nations will come together and try to establish peace on earth, and the new age movement a unified religious system with all religions interpreted as such, and a hate crime to teach other wise punishable in the international criminal court system.

And the beast kingdom acknowledges no personal God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, as God allows him to deceive all people that do not love God, and then He will end this sin business on earth.

And that is why the beast kingdom is the end, for it took away the hope of the world, for all the nations governments are in league together, and they do not accept a higher power.

As long as there is one nation that acknowledges a God above them there is hope for the world, for if it is not the true God there is hope they might turn to Him, but the beast kingdom took that away from the world, and prevented the Gospel from being preached in the world, so it is the end.

From what i understood from interacting with veterans here, the veteran members can PM for free

I saw no such notation in the information page concerning PM access. That would be a blessing for them though. Thanks.

It is clear what the Bible says,
We should not shut doors to anyone. No one is worthy to judge or keep someone from entering the house of God. As believers it is our job to pray for others and love them. God will do the rest. Seeds people....seeds. God has His plans laid out and I'm positive He knows what He's doing.

If we let them enter and they persist in sexual immorality then what do we do?

sing kumbaja around the camp fire and say Jesus is love.

Even though what you say is comical on one level....it is sadly true.

Yup

Its Jude 1:4 in action.

You know what I find amazing, how people are self-fulfilling bible prophecies about deceivers etc.
Its like: The Bible says dont call anyone Father right? And thats PRECISELY what the catholics call their priests. Its like , DUH, did they go back and specifically look for "Hmm.. how could we contradict the Bible here..."
I find it amazing

Same with Jude 1:4. Same with "forbidding to marry", SOUND FAMILIAR? Yeah the catholic church again. Forbidding eating meats? Sound familiar, again....

I mean to me thats just poor deception, if I was into deceiving i wouldnt make it so obvious. But it still seems to be working, its the biggest church to this day. Unbelievable. WHy do you believe that is? Is there some kind of spiritual veil where people cant see the clear contradiction? Or is it the fact that they just dont care because whatever "The Church" teaches trumps what "The Bible" teaches?

With regards to the Catholic Church most parishioners do not really know what is in the Bible. As well they place tradition on par with scripture which is another problem.

It would seem though that other churches are not heeding Paul's instructions either.

I'm saying preach the truth and let God show them their sin. I would think either God's gonna change a heart or they will walk away...but a seed has been planted and it's in God's hands to make it grow There are all types of sexual immorality walking in the doors of churches...all types of sin. When as the body of Christ did we become the head? When do we say who should be allowed in His house? It would kinda defeat the purpose to serve as His body.