Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

Here is Strong's on Matthew 13:6

13:6 And 1161 when the sun 2246 was up 393 5660, they were scorched 2739 5681; and 2532 because 1223 they had 2192 5721 no 3361 root 4491, they withered away 35835681.


And here is the definition of word 3361 which is the word no here.
Word: mh

Pronounce: may

Strongs Number: G3361

Orig: a primary particle of qualified negation (whereas 3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverb) not, (conjunction) lest; also (as an interrogative implying a negative answer (whereas 3756 expects an affirmative one)) whether:--any but (that), X forbear, + God forbid, + lack, lest, neither, never, no (X wise in), none, nor, (can-)not, nothing, that not, un(-taken), without. Often used in compounds in substantially the same relations. See also 3362, 3363, 3364, 3372, 3373, 3375, 3378. G3756 G3363 G3372 G3375

Use:

Heb Strong:

1. 1) no, not lest

So guess what? The word NO actually means NO!

If you did trst God alone. You would trust him to keep his promises.

The fact you think you can lose your salvation proves you do nto trust Christ. Your trust is in your self and your ability to do whatever you think must be done to MAINTAIN your salvation.

The idea in the Greek is that there is no depth to the root/soil. Not that there is no root! You are just pulling Greek words from your concordance out of context and not capturing the idea. I know what the words by themselves mean but you are not taking the whole sentence at its idea.

The NASB translators got the translation correct. If you look at the parralels in Matthew 13, Mark 4 and Luke 8 the idea is that the soil/root is shallow. Not that it is non-existant!!! It has no depth to the root. Any plant that wants to get moisture and live has to dig its roots down deep. Shallow/rocky soil has no firm/established roots. It still has a root! How did "life spring up" if it has no root?

You are still making the unwarranted assumption that Jesus is the root because that is just what comes to your mind. The parable makes no such distinction.

So, you do admit you do sin (WE ALL DO JUST SAYING)?

And when you do sin, you feel either bad, guilty, and subconsciously you want to be free of that feeling (this is the Holy Spirit within you working)?

But, if you came to a point in your life where you just stopped asking for forgiveness and kept sinning, does the promise God made concerning your ETERNAL SALVATION still stand?

OK THEN!!


This is my conclusion to OSAS:


What I am getting at is the OSAS is based on a CONDITION.

That condition is YOU the BELIEVER keeps seeking forgiveness for all sins and wrongdoings to remain in that ETERNAL SALVATION PROMISE!!

So, it boils down to not what God is doing or promised, it boils down to you the believer must keep the faith and continually seek forgiveness if you sin until you die or are part of the second coming!!


So in theory, until people actually understand this loose term OSAS and the actual condition to it, it is NONSENSE TERM!!

OK THEN!!


This is my conclusion to OSAS:


What I am getting at is the OSAS is based on a CONDITION.

That condition is YOU the BELIEVER keeps seeking forgiveness for all sins and wrongdoings to remain in that ETERNAL SALVATION PROMISE!!

So, it boils down to not what God is doing or promised, it boils down to you the believer must keep the faith and continually seek forgiveness if you sin until you die or are part of the second coming!!


So in theory, until people actually understand this loose term OSAS and the actual condition to it, it is NONSENSE TERM!!

Christ maintains me and does everything for me through my faith. I trust in Him alone and not myself. You are required to keep trusting Christ or He does not keep you He keeps you through your faith. The second soil in the parable of the sower shows this.

Requiring someone to keep believing is bibilcial. I can give you 80 passages that prove it. But we obviously disagree. It's all good.

This sounds all tooo familiar

No. Hebrews 10: 26 says, "if we go on sinning willfully there remains no more sacrifice for sins."

I have a Gods promise

OSAS is based on Gods promises. It is a condition, not a belief. People make it a belief only because they do not want to believe it.

1. I give you eternal life, and you will never perish
2. You will never hinger or thirst, Live forever, Never die, and I will raise you on the last day, oh, and I will never lose anyone
3. Whever believes is not condemned
4. The saved are justified or made righteous. And this justification is by grace (free)
5. We HAVE eternal life, and and John wrote us a whole book so we KNOW WE HAVE IT
6. We have the seal of the spirit as a pledge, given the moment our belief turns to faith.
7. Whoever calls out on the name of Christ is saved.

I can go on and on and on.

Saying OSAS is a lose term is honestly quite sad in my view,

Christ maintains me and does everything for me through my faith. I trust in Him alone and not myself. You are required to keep trusting Christ or He does not keep you He keeps you through your faith. The second soil in the parable of the sower shows this.

Requiring someone to keep believing is bibilcial. I can give you 80 passages that prove it. But we obviously disagree. It's all good.

Christ maintains me and does everything for me through my faith. I trust in Him alone and not myself. You are required to keep trusting Christ or He does not keep you He keeps you through your faith. The second soil in the parable of the sower shows this.

Requiring someone to keep believing is bibilcial. I can give you 80 passages that prove it. But we obviously disagree. It's all good.

I HAVE GOD'S PROMISE AS WELL.

But if I do not ask for forgiveness when I SIN, it doesn't matter what God promised.

The bible is clear on salvation.....it is spoken of in all three tenses....and the PERFECT/AORIST tense verbs applied = a present continuing result from a past COMPLETED ACTION

John said these things are written that you may KNOW YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

and notice the verb tenses of the following...

NOT by works of righteousness which we HAVE DONE (PAST TENSE) but according to his mercy has HE SAVED US (PAST TENSE)

Salvation/ETERNAL LIFE is current POSSESSION of all who have

a. BELIEVED the CORRECT message of salvation
b. CONFESSED said belief into the correct message of salvation

PAUL had the same issues...read Romans 3:8..........concerning the bolded above....

So you have to do the work of asking forgiveness, even though it is not possible to do this for every sin, or you lost the right to be saved?

Ie, so grace is out the door. We are saved by works?

No. Hebrews 10: 26 says, "if we go on sinning willfully there remains no more sacrifice for sins."

I have heard eternal security people try to come up with a cute explanation for this. They will say, "Everybody sins willfully! You did it because you wanted to." That is true as James 1: 12 points out but that is not what the author is saying in Hebrews 10: 26.

He is saying that if you turn away from Christ you will perish. He evens says in Hebrews 10:29 that this person was once sanctified. That means they could only have been a real believer. I have heard this verse also twisted by OSAS or Calvinists to say they weren't really saved but the verse tells you they were sanctified. This is a denial of what Scripture is saying by the OSAS/Calvinist.

To answer your question, I feel horrible when I sin. Only Christ's life in me can give me the victory. All true Christians feel this way when they sin. Yes, the Spirit is at work. Romans 8: 23 "we groan inwardly awaiting the redemption of our bodies" so we can be free from this body of death/flesh.

But the Spirit helps and gives life to our flesh as Romans 8 talks about.

Do you know why there even is a term called GRACE?
Because God had MERCY!!
Which means, GRACE is a temporary condition until Christ returns which is for WAR!!

God ain't letting us get by with anything, He just AIN'T KILLING us like He did the Hebrews and brought suffering upon the Jews. We STILL need to be SINLESS.

You can't be full of sin and still have the Holy Spirit of Yahweh in you!!
The only way the Holy Spirit remains in you is by you ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS to remain SINLESS!!
The reason you know your sin is GUILTY, because the Holy Spirit speaks to your CONSCIOUSNESS and makes you aware that GOD's Spirit and your sin CANNOT ABIDE TOGETHER!!