Church is it even biblical

There are some who are truly galled to know our foundation of faith was laid by Jews of Judah, beginning with our Savior Jesus, Yeshua, and His Twelve, followed immediately by the lost of Israel saved first………..the Jew first and then the Greek.

If you give so much value to your own vocabulary, I am afraid nothing, not even the true foundation is within your scope of understanding. I give as much credence as is possible to all languages and words with which I am familiar, for they all bear witness to God when understood.

Shalom chavari.

That is exactly what Paul says and there's nothing weird about it just like there was nothing weird about Elijah living in John the Baptist.

2 Cor 4:
10We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. 11For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.

13It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.

Isn't Paul talking about resurrection? The underlined phrase is the same exact phrase he uses here:

1 Thess 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

If Paul is not talking about resurrection in 2 Cor 4, he was not talking resurrection in 1 Thess 4 either.If the resurrected souls are not presented together with living ones in 2 Cor 4, those that arise from sleep are also not caught with those that were living in 1 Thess 4.

You are the one who needs to read again not me.

As I said, the Church is not a building. And a church can be any certain meeting of religious people. As (Acts 7:38) says. "This is he that was in the church in the wilderness..." But that is not the Church of Jesus Christ, which is that mystical Body of believers.

If you want use the word 'synagogue' to mean an assembly or a building, it is still not the Church. If you want to use the word 'church' or 'ekklesia' to mean a fellowship or building, it is still not the Church. The Church is that mystical Body of Jesus Christ whereas all are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, the very Spirit of Christ.

Quantrill

I have no problem understanding the foundation of our faith. That doesn't make the Church a synagogue.

Quantrill

All languages are the sum total of their own historic influences. You use Greek, Latin, Hebrew, and many more foreign roots to what you seem to believe are English words, proper words.

Every word has a history leading to other languages. English as it is today is the product of this lingual evolution.

Do not say one word cannot be used when you do not know its history. the nature of language.

No, it is not necessary to be expert in languages to be saved, but do not show your ignorance by making such declarations. Just because the word, synagogue, has gone out of fashion for two thousand years (almost), does not change its original meaning.

Sorry, but the history of the word declares your are being obstinate without knowledge of what you speak. God bless you.

Your use of certain words does not define the Church. A synagogue of what? A church of what? As I said, the Church is that mystical Body of Jesus Christ composed of every born-again believer.

Quantrill

I must leave you to the Body of Christ to understand, now or some time in the future.

Is this your excuse for not being part of a church?

If Jesus is always with you, then you are a church.
But you are against churches.
You seem to have taken a stand against yourself.

You were slamming the Catholic Church in your first post.
They have the perfect solution to your "differing doctrines" problem.
Is that really what you want?

Potluck dinners. Err... I mean pot blessings.

You seem to be suffering from claustro-ekklesaphobia.
The fear of fellowship with other Christians in an enclosed space, such as a building. (horrors)

Symptoms include, shortness of breath, rapid heart rate, rise in blood pressure, cold sweats, speaking in tongues (if it happens to be a Charismatic or Pentecostal fellowship), and slumber due to sermons longer than five minutes. For relief, run to the nearest Christian chat room or forum and tell everyone how horrible church is.

Where's the potluck? It's not the "true" church without potluck.

All of the above or previous posts are what church has placed on the table.
Doctrine!
I know that if it's not biblical you automatically refute.
Let's look at Noah
He and his grandpa witnessed for 100 years. No one believed.
Animals of kinds came peacefully to the ark, still they didn't believe.
Side note.
The animals were sign and even a wonder
Yet they still didn't believe.
God told Noah get on the boat.
3 sons 4 wives and Noah get on the boat.
There was no doctrinal discussion.
Get on the boat or die.
Original point! When the apostles spoke there was know interpretation.
I belong to Jesus I am finishing my ark.
You all are charged by Jesus to work out your own salvation.
A man must be born again, no doctrinal, or church interpretation needed.

If you actually managed to "convert" anyone, wouldn't they be spiritual orphans? (homeless)
You might have to start a church. (horrors)

Hey, wait a minute... maybe that's where the church came from.

I suppose someone will try to claim this is not biblical. (scripture please)
Here you go.

Ezekiel 24:3-5
Tell this rebellious people a parable and say to them:
‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“‘Put on the cooking pot; put it on
and pour water into it.
4 Put into it the pieces of meat,
all the choice pieces—the leg and the shoulder.
Fill it with the best of these bones;
5 take the pick of the flock.
Pile wood beneath it for the bones;
bring it to a boil
and cook the bones in it.

I heard someone use"pot blessing". Maybe he did not nelieve luck was Biblical.

Have any heavily deterministic Calvinists out there taken to call it 'pot predestination'?

John cake in the spirit and power of Elijah. That does not mean e was possessed ny is ghost.


2 Cor 4:
10We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. 11For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.[/quote]

Paul wrote there about what was going on while he was on this earth, physically alive and breathing in a literal sense. He is not talking about is ghost coming back when physically dies

13It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.

Isn't Paul talking about resurrection? [/quote]

Yes, the resurrection, when odies that sleep in the dust arise. Resurrection- not Paul's spitit oming back help them after he dies.

In one passage he says it would be gain or him to depart and be with Christ but beneficial or the if he stayed.

The eternal Spirit of God dwelt in the corrupted flesh of the Son of man. God did not become a man . He is not a man as us having mother and father, beginning of spirit life or end of it. He is supernatural without a nature.

I would think a real person in respect to what the eyes see does have a beginning, Melchizedek was a vision (not flesh and blood)

In order to establish a perfect type of the character and nature of the priesthood of the Lord, there was no man who could be a perfect type and so God Himself appeared in the form of a man as that seen . He did not take on a human nature. Melchizedek did not become man as He did when Jesus Christ became man, but He did appear in the form of a man in the person of Melchizedek. Again this was in order to set up a type, a perfect type of the eternal character of the priesthood of the Jesus .An demonstration of the unseen lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world the real redemption... not the demonstration.

God is not a man us he remains without from as our invisible God. We walk by faith the unseen eternal. One demonstration of the temporal seen..............the veil is rent.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him "no more".2 Corinthian 5:16

It causes me to wonder when he does come on the last day will he find faith or those looking for another outward demonstration.

I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18

A daysman is one usurps the authority not seen and gives it over to one seen, which also describes the antichrists.

We have him as the Son of God the Holy Spirit of God and not the Son of man used as a one time demonstration.

If we would have our invisible God as a Son of man that would describe a daysman . The Son of man resisted being a called a daysman. When accuses of good master seeing we can only serve one the Son of man replied; only God not seen is good. In the same way we are to call no man on earth Father the same applies to teacher master Rabbi

Good is defined by Him not seen not Him seen .The Pagan nations look for God made after the rudiments of this world.

No infallible fleshly interpreter set between God not seen and man seen. That would describe the Pope for one.

'Its not pot predestination, But as many as the father gave the Son they will come destination. For no man can possibly come unless the Father gives His faith to make it possible to come. The key is many.