Are You Believing a Heresy? You Might According to a New Study

You might add John 19:11 (Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.” ) (NIV)

The entire process, if we read the 19th chapter of John, was as Jesus said, granted authority by the Father above. Thereto was the one that handed Jesus over to them part of that plan. Remember? In the upper room after telling his Disciples one of them would betray him, he then told Judas to go and do what he must do.
Must do?
Odd phrase in any translation/version of the scripture of John chapter 13 if Jesus was to be surprised by the betrayal in the garden.
Jesus knew Judas was called to be the one that insured he was to fulfill the plan of the Father that would have him die on the cross so as to make the new covenant come into being.

Do you think God called Judas to betray Jesus, or that He allowed Judas to do it? In the Old Testament, God was said to have "hardened Pharaoh's' heart" (Ex. 7:13), but I believe that God is in the habit of melting hearts, not deliberately hardening them. Sometimes God allows things that He does not necessarily approve of, because He gives everyone a free choice to do what they will. Jesus also said that, "it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh!" (Matt. 18:7) And from Matt. 26:24: "The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. Just wanted to clarify.

Lof.

Jesus knew who he was.
He had to have Judas. W/o Judas the entire deal was off.

Years ago a " new teaching" emerged.
It claimed there was a race before Adam. They even had verses to back it up. Fusha Picket and John Hagee,both got on board. Two "top guns". I respect both of them.
Well it bothered me,this new doctrine.
I couldn't put my finger on it.
One day that topic was debated on John Ankerburg.
Kent Hovind said " if you can show me sin before Adam, you are a heretic"

Boom! One sentence destroyed the whole doctrine. Game....set...match

How would Jesus have gone to Calvary were it not for Judas? If the elders of the temple could have insured his execution they would not have needed one of Jesus' own disciples to identify him so that the Roman guard could take Jesus into custody.

God knows it, we dont need to know.

I believe that it was Jesus' aim to save Judas, but Judas made his own decision to betray his Lord. I think if Judas had melted under Jesus' love (in washing his feet at the last supper), God would have used other circumstances to lead Jesus to Calvary. He has millions of ways of working things out, and I don't believe that God tells someone to do something evil, and then punishes them and says, "It would have been better if you had not been born" (Matt. 26:24). I believe God allows people to make their own choices, and then uses the outcome for His glory even if individuals resist His love. He "desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim 2:4)

Judas did as Christ commanded him in the upper room. What our Lord said after of that is distinguishable in human terms as to what his Disciples would have expected due to Judas' actions resulting in Jesus arrest.
Jesus forgave everyone for not knowing the magnitude of their actions. Forgive them for they know not what they do.
Judas repented of his sin of betrayal of Christ, and sought to give the unrepentant elders of the temple the 30 pieces of silver they'd paid him for what they would not recognize. The life of the Messiah and the Son of God.

I believe Judas was saved because he was forgiven by Christ. Jesus took the sins of the world upon himself on the cross. Judas included. Were it not for Judas.....

When the gentiles took over leadership of the Christian church from the former leadership of Christian Jews who knew scripture they added ideas from their heritage of idol worship. Scripture tells us that spiritual Israel consists of the saved, and the new leadership taught that all of Israel was Judaism to be avoided. Church councils for hundreds of years taught the same. So our very world is not of God who taught Israel. Week days are named for false Gods. All our holidays are man made, not what God asked us for. We even have Halloween celebrating witches, none of the holidays

Anyone who speaks of Sabbath worship as God created as told in Genesis is put down by the church. Even that!!

When God gave Pentecost to lead us taking the place of the rituals God gave, the church tossed out anything it could possibly give the title of ritual.

So yes, our churches teach and believe in heresy. It only took a few hundred years after Christ to bring in heresy.

Show us where in Scripture that worship is to be restricted to the Sabbath.

There is no scripture telling us not to worship any day except the Sabbath.

There are scriptures telling us to worship on the Sabbath. There are scriptures telling us to do our work on the days of the week other than the Sabbath, but we are to spend the Sabbath aware that God does the work of our salvation. Symbolic of this, we are to be aware of God in control of our life on that day but we are to do our work for our livelihood on the other days.

Galatians 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


Some people think that the heresy of the church and most people is that they don't follow the law close enough. Some people think that the heresy of the church and most people is that they don't understand the gospel but would replace it with clean/unclean laws and placing themselves under some of the OT law.

Paul is pretty clear in ALL his epistles, for Christians who understand scripture, that the heresy of a Christian is to go back to following the OT law instead of following the Spirit of Christ.

It must be a pretty big and easy trap for people to fall into because Paul wrote a lot of scripture fighting it.

If you want to honor the Sabbath day and keep it holy, do that.
"...The Old Testament. The observance of the Sabbath is central to Jewish life. Of the eight holy days (Shabbat, the first and seventh days of Pesach, Shavout, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and the first and eighth days of Succot) proscribed in the Torah, only the Sabbath is included in the Decalogue. Though not holier than other holy days like Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah, the Sabbath is given special attention because of its frequency. Yet despite any significance that accrues on the basis of its frequency or inclusion in the Decalogue, its importance rests ultimately on its symbolic representation of the order of creation. For, according to the Genesis narrative, God himself rested on the seventh day, thus making it sacred ( Gen 2:1-2 ). For the pious Jew, keeping the Sabbath holy is a mitzvah, or duty, before God. Indeed, The Old Testament takes Sabbath observance so seriously that profaning it results in the death penalty ( Exod 31:14 ; 35:2 ; Num 15:32 ). "
Excerpted text Source: Sabbath

Every day is sacred for those in Christ. If one of us wishes to honor the Sabbath God created as a special day to rest and spend time in our Bible studies, prayer, walk with God in the quiet of our home away from the world that for 6 days commands our attention, so what.
How can anyone actually think to criticize that of anyone who observes Sabbath?


Someone doesn't want to observe the Sabbath? OK. Don't. God's not going to condemn you for that.
If someone else does it's not your business. God's not going to condemn them for that.
It is a matter of personal relationship with God and conscience. Not one of us has a righteous right to condemn anyone for honoring God on one special day God made special for us. See Mark 2: 27.

I think God wants us to obey the laws that we can, but we won't be condemned if we don't.
As far as Judas Iscariot, he had been sinning earlier by stealing money, so he was not a good person that deserved salvation. God forgives only those sins that we don't want to commit, and try to stop them to the best of our ability. Judas evidently had no desire to stop stealing. Jesus obviously knew about the thefts, but kept quiet, knowing what was needed of Judas in the future.

The message of the gospel is not confined to that.
Tithing and a one day Sabbath are OT comcepts. On reason Jesus tweeked the jews on THEIR sabboth was to blow away that " one day" concept.
IOW he DOES NOT want a part or a piece of your week,your life,or your money.
He wants ALL.
ALL your focus,all your life,all your money,and all your week,and your day.
Not one day of devotion," a day of rest"

Sabboth day is no longer a day,but a person.
Sabboth is 7th day. And yes we do rest physically on that day.
IOW, it is all his. Not one day,or a tenth of your money.
He wants it all. 100%
He didn't give part on the cross. He gave it all.
Remember the widow that gave 2 pennies..gave ALL SHE HAD

Not only that,but it is actually important that the sabboth be broken,in that in tje OT sabboth was practically the most severe of all laws.
( you break it....you die...period)
Jesus went about breaking their sabboth,and they hated him for it.

I don't wish to diminish the point you are making, but I think we misunderstand the value of "heresy".

Consider this, Martin Luther was considered a heretic by the Church.
But without his "heretical" work there would be no Protestantism.

In some cases, heresy is the work of God. And God's work is bigger than the Church.
And certainly bigger than what the Church might declare as heresy.
Even Jesus stood against the establishment in his day.
Was that not heretical?

Right. Eternal punishment is just as eternal as eternal life. Same NT Greek word.

Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”