King Solomon and the Proverbs

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newton3003

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Many are familiar with the Book of Proverbs, which reflects the wisdom of King Solomon. If King Solomon serves as any example, he is an example in the Bible of a righteous ruler. There is no doubt that he was aware that his authority came from God, and he took it seriously enough that he asked God to give him wisdom to rule over the Hebrews.

Solomon was the son of King David, and according to 1 Kings 3 when David was going to die he appointed Solomon to take his place. After David’s death, Solomon, who had no prior experience as a leader of people (Does that sound familiar?) asked God whom he loved for help. In 1 Kings 3:6-9, King Solomon says to God, in a dream, “You have shown great and steadfast love to your servant David my father, because he walked before you in faithfulness, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart toward you. And you have kept for him this great and steadfast love and have given him a son to sit on his throne this day. And now, O LORD my God, you have made your servant king in place of David my father, although I am but a little child. I do not know how to go out or come in. And your servant is in the midst of your people whom you have chosen, a great people, too many to be numbered or counted for multitude. Give your servant therefore an understanding mind to govern your people, that I may discern between good and evil, for who is able to govern this your great people?”

Verses 10-14 says, “It pleased the Lord that Solomon had asked this. And God said to him, ‘Because you have asked this, and have not asked for yourself long life or riches or the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern what is right, behold, I now do according to your word. Behold, I give you a wise and discerning mind, so that none like you has been before you and none like you shall arise after you. I give you also what you have not asked, both riches and honor, so that no other king shall compare with you, all your days. And if you will walk in my ways, keeping my statutes and my commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.’”

Who can beat a deal like that, huh? All the real estate, "universities," airlines and gambling casinos with their towers couldn’t beat a deal like that, I believe.

Romans 13:1 says, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.” This is derived in part from Daniel 2:21 which says “[God] changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;” And did not Jesus say to Pontius Pilate that Pilate would have no authority over him unless it came from God? So as with Jesus, under God we should abide by leaders who preside over us with God in mind. Any leader who does not have God in mind invites His wrath and risks his people being destroyed in the face of the righteous. Where is the great Roman empire, or the Third Reich now, for instance? The former stands as a tourist attraction, and the latter is scattered amongst the dust, with any vestige of spirit existing in only a few.

We are faced with leaders today who by their actions deny God’s existence and the wisdom that God would impart to them. Eventually they and their underlings in government will be replaced by people who are cognizant of God and will once again rule in the same manner as King Solomon, with all the honor attributed to them. And when they take their seat of authority, nations will not laugh at them.

It would be wise for anyone seeking wisdom to read the Proverbs of Solomon.
 

Quantrill

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#2
Many are familiar with the Book of Proverbs, which reflects the wisdom of King Solomon. If King Solomon serves as any example, he is an example in the Bible of a righteous ruler. There is no doubt that he was aware that his authority came from God, and he took it seriously enough that he asked God to give him wisdom to rule over the Hebrews.

Solomon was the son of King David, and according to 1 Kings 3 when David was going to die he appointed Solomon to take his place. After David’s death, Solomon, who had no prior experience as a leader of people (Does that sound familiar?) asked God whom he loved for help. In 1 Kings 3:6-9, King Solomon says to God, in a dream, “You have shown great and steadfast love to your servant David my father, because he walked before you in faithfulness, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart toward you. And you have kept for him this great and steadfast love and have given him a son to sit on his throne this day. And now, O LORD my God, you have made your servant king in place of David my father, although I am but a little child. I do not know how to go out or come in. And your servant is in the midst of your people whom you have chosen, a great people, too many to be numbered or counted for multitude. Give your servant therefore an understanding mind to govern your people, that I may discern between good and evil, for who is able to govern this your great people?”

Verses 10-14 says, “It pleased the Lord that Solomon had asked this. And God said to him, ‘Because you have asked this, and have not asked for yourself long life or riches or the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern what is right, behold, I now do according to your word. Behold, I give you a wise and discerning mind, so that none like you has been before you and none like you shall arise after you. I give you also what you have not asked, both riches and honor, so that no other king shall compare with you, all your days. And if you will walk in my ways, keeping my statutes and my commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.’”

Who can beat a deal like that, huh? All the real estate, "universities," airlines and gambling casinos with their towers couldn’t beat a deal like that, I believe.

Romans 13:1 says, “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.” This is derived in part from Daniel 2:21 which says “[God] changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;” And did not Jesus say to Pontius Pilate that Pilate would have no authority over him unless it came from God? So as with Jesus, under God we should abide by leaders who preside over us with God in mind. Any leader who does not have God in mind invites His wrath and risks his people being destroyed in the face of the righteous. Where is the great Roman empire, or the Third Reich now, for instance? The former stands as a tourist attraction, and the latter is scattered amongst the dust, with any vestige of spirit existing in only a few.

We are faced with leaders today who by their actions deny God’s existence and the wisdom that God would impart to them. Eventually they and their underlings in government will be replaced by people who are cognizant of God and will once again rule in the same manner as King Solomon, with all the honor attributed to them. And when they take their seat of authority, nations will not laugh at them.

It would be wise for anyone seeking wisdom to read the Proverbs of Solomon.

Indeed God loved Solomon and imparted to him the wisdom from God. And the Book of Proverbs should be read by all Christians.

Also remember, however, that Solomon later became the very things he warned against in Proverbs. He took quite a fall. This is why we need also to read the Book of Ecclesiastes. It is also written by Solomon toward the end of his life after he had fallen away. Thus the theme of Ecclesiastes is 'the vanity of life under the sun'.

Solomon did not lose his salvation, but his life was terribly affected by his sins. And, it would have later consequences even after he died. So when you read the Book of Ecclesiastes, read it through Solomon's eyes at this stage of his life. It too contains much wisdom.

Quantrill
 

Hevosmies

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I have always wondered about God setting up kings. It says that in the Bible, clearly, both OT and NT.

But my question is why does God set such bad kings? To punish the people? I mean, lets be real here, there has been some very wicked rulers in this world.
Why does God set kings that hate Him? (Germany in the 40s a good example of a leader who hated God)

I guess the only reason is: God just punishes people through those God-hating rulers.

Anyone got any BIBLICAL answer? Instead of my speculation?
 

Nehemiah6

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It would be wise for anyone seeking wisdom to read the Proverbs of Solomon.
True. That is why that book is in the Bible. The other wisdom books are Job, Psalms, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon.

However, and important lesson from Solomon is that even the wisest men can be seduced into idolatry and occultism. That was unfortunately the case with Solomon in his later years.
 

trofimus

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I have always wondered about God setting up kings. It says that in the Bible, clearly, both OT and NT.

But my question is why does God set such bad kings? To punish the people? I mean, lets be real here, there has been some very wicked rulers in this world.
Why does God set kings that hate Him? (Germany in the 40s a good example of a leader who hated God)

I guess the only reason is: God just punishes people through those God-hating rulers.

Anyone got any BIBLICAL answer? Instead of my speculation?
I think we can many specific questions (why bad kings, why natural disasters, why God created and allowed satan, why Adam fell, why this or that) generalize to "why does God allow evil".

And to this we can have some good answers, I think.

It could be also a good thread.
 
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I have always wondered about God setting up kings. It says that in the Bible, clearly, both OT and NT.

But my question is why does God set such bad kings? To punish the people? I mean, lets be real here, there has been some very wicked rulers in this world.
Why does God set kings that hate Him? (Germany in the 40s a good example of a leader who hated God)

I guess the only reason is: God just punishes people through those God-hating rulers.

Anyone got any BIBLICAL answer? Instead of my speculation?
The only reason that God didn't kill Solomon was because of the covenant that He made with David. Solomon, like King Saul, started out good but allowed the world to turn them evil. God had Saul killed.

However, as a punishment for Solomon's wickedness He divided the kingdom after his death.

As to why did God allow bad kings? Well, that is what He told Israel would happen when they chose kings over His rule.

"And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day" (1 Samuel 8:11-18).
 

posthuman

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I have always wondered about God setting up kings. It says that in the Bible, clearly, both OT and NT.

But my question is why does God set such bad kings? To punish the people? I mean, lets be real here, there has been some very wicked rulers in this world.
Why does God set kings that hate Him? (Germany in the 40s a good example of a leader who hated God)

I guess the only reason is: God just punishes people through those God-hating rulers.

Anyone got any BIBLICAL answer? Instead of my speculation?
And I will give children to be their princes,
and babes shall rule over them.
And the people shall be oppressed,
every one by another, and every one by his neighbour:
the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient,
and the base against the honourable.
(Isaiah 3:4-5)

why?

For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen:
because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord,
to provoke the eyes of his glory.
The shew of their countenance doth witness against them;
and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not.
Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
(Isaiah 3:8-9)

yes, as you were thinking - it is a judgement against a people who reject God as their king, as He said when Israel first asked for one:

The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them.
(1 Samuel 8:7)
 

JaumeJ

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And I will give children to be their princes,
and babes shall rule over them.
And the people shall be oppressed,
every one by another, and every one by his neighbour:
the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient,
and the base against the honourable.
(Isaiah 3:4-5)

why?

For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen:
because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord,
to provoke the eyes of his glory.
The shew of their countenance doth witness against them;
and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not.
Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
(Isaiah 3:8-9)

yes, as you were thinking - it is a judgement against a people who reject God as their king, as He said when Israel first asked for one:

The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them.
(1 Samuel 8:7)

We know our King is the King of the Jews, therefore we know Whom the Children of Israel rejected….

I thank God for the first Israel which cleared the path for the salvation of all mankind, the Jew first and then the Greek. Halleluyah, amen
 

posthuman

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I have always wondered about God setting up kings. It says that in the Bible, clearly, both OT and NT.

But my question is why does God set such bad kings? To punish the people? I mean, lets be real here, there has been some very wicked rulers in this world.
Why does God set kings that hate Him? (Germany in the 40s a good example of a leader who hated God)

I guess the only reason is: God just punishes people through those God-hating rulers.

Anyone got any BIBLICAL answer? Instead of my speculation?
For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof:
but by a man of understanding and knowledge the state thereof shall be prolonged.
(Proverbs 28:2)

this is also consistent with, evil rulers are as a judgement against a land, but good ones are a mercy

as here:

When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice:
but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.
(Proverbs 29:2)

a wicked people should mourn, and repent, as the men of Ninevah did - and a wicked king should cause us to do so. we have a '
king' here in my country now who is vain & a pattern liar: isn't God telling us by this that we should speak the truth in humility?!

Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.
(Proverbs 14:34)

how much more reproach when the leader of the people is sinful!
woe, woe, woe
 

Hevosmies

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I think we can many specific questions (why bad kings, why natural disasters, why God created and allowed satan, why Adam fell, why this or that) generalize to "why does God allow evil".

And to this we can have some good answers, I think.

It could be also a good thread.
Tell me the good answer(s)? Please sir
 

Hevosmies

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And I will give children to be their princes,
and babes shall rule over them.
And the people shall be oppressed,
every one by another, and every one by his neighbour:
the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient,
and the base against the honourable.
(Isaiah 3:4-5)

why?

For Jerusalem is ruined, and Judah is fallen:
because their tongue and their doings are against the Lord,
to provoke the eyes of his glory.
The shew of their countenance doth witness against them;
and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not.
Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
(Isaiah 3:8-9)

yes, as you were thinking - it is a judgement against a people who reject God as their king, as He said when Israel first asked for one:

The LORD said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being king over them.
(1 Samuel 8:7)
Good answer but this brings me again to calvinism. (im sorry guys).

here God is saying that the people of Judah are AGAINST the Lord. Now why is that? I'll tell you why, its because man is totally depraved and God hasn't given these people the gift of repentance. Therefore: Why is God angry? Just give the gift of repentance to these guys and nobody is against the Lord.

But glad that we are in agreement. I believe its judgment against wicked nations.
Historically christian countries have done quite well.

Have you read that part where it says God originally didnt even give a king to Israel, but they begged for it so they could be like other nations?
 

JaumeJ

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I have always wondered about God setting up kings. It says that in the Bible, clearly, both OT and NT.

But my question is why does God set such bad kings? To punish the people? I mean, lets be real here, there has been some very wicked rulers in this world.
Why does God set kings that hate Him? (Germany in the 40s a good example of a leader who hated God)

I guess the only reason is: God just punishes people through those God-hating rulers.

Anyone got any BIBLICAL answer? Instead of my speculation?
Have you ever considered that it could be God allows mankind to dow whatever he woudl do in order for the innocent, rather, those who seek good, to search and find Salvation.

God did not make Hitler be the devil he was, he made himself such, and many godless people followed him, and that was not only in Germany.

People are all to hasty to say God is punishing, when in fact God is allowing the godless portion of mankind, the majority, to have free will to act as they will Yes, kgod allows tyrantss to rule, but He does not vote for any of them.....think, meditate and pray on this subject, it is important for all children to understand their will is God's will and not that of evil mankind.
 

posthuman

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Have you read that part where it says God originally didnt even give a king to Israel, but they begged for it so they could be like other nations?
yup, quoted part of it ((1 Samuel 8)) :D

as it was foretold, in fact:

When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me . . .
(Deuteronomy 17:14)
 

posthuman

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God ALLOWS bad kings to reign but sets up those that are righteous.
it doesn't say, God appoints some kings but not others.. ??

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
(Romans 13:1)
 

posthuman

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People are all to hasty to say God is punishing, when in fact God is allowing the godless portion of mankind, the majority, to have free will to act as they will Yes, kgod allows tyrantss to rule, but He does not vote for any of them.....think, meditate and pray on this subject, it is important for all children to understand their will is God's will and not that of evil mankind.
mmmm time = mercy

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
(2 Peter 3:9)

and as He says, those who give publicly and boastfully, so that men will see them, have received their reward in full - isn't this also mercy, that the evil desire, even that which cannot satisfy, is granted to the wicked? that the worthless thing they want, sure, go ahead and have it, see where it gets you. to teach them just how so, vanity of vanities.
as the commandment came, that sin be made all the more sinful.
 

posthuman

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I think we can many specific questions (why bad kings, why natural disasters, why God created and allowed satan, why Adam fell, why this or that) generalize to "why does God allow evil".

maybe the right question isn't why does evil exist, but why does goodness exist?
 
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Good answer but this brings me again to calvinism. (im sorry guys).

here God is saying that the people of Judah are AGAINST the Lord. Now why is that? I'll tell you why, its because man is totally depraved and God hasn't given these people the gift of repentance. Therefore: Why is God angry? Just give the gift of repentance to these guys and nobody is against the Lord.

But glad that we are in agreement. I believe its judgment against wicked nations.
Historically christian countries have done quite well.

Have you read that part where it says God originally didnt even give a king to Israel, but they begged for it so they could be like other nations?

Let me fix that for you:

"Good answer but this brings me again to contextual and exegetically interpreted Scripture, i.e. sound doctrine. (im sorry guys). (no need to apologize for this hevosmies, I fixed it for you!)
here God is saying that the people of Judah are AGAINST the Lord. Now why is that? I'll tell you why, its because man is totally depraved and God hasn't given these people the gift of repentance. We should then take heed, and seek God's mercy! That is one lesson here, and to not be presumptuous of his mercy, that's another thing!!

Therefore: The Romans 9:20 man would say angrily, and in defiance of his Sovereignty "Why is God angry? Just give the gift of repentance to these guys and nobody is against the Lord." And the answer is to that foolish person is "Who are you, mortal, to reply against God!?" Note Romans 9:20ff.

So, we see God is Sovereign, saving and having mercy on whom he wills! Thank God then that He saves us, and we should also fear him for his justice he displays on some in Scripture!!!"
There we go, much better now, and thankfully Biblical!
 

Hevosmies

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Have you ever considered that it could be God allows mankind to dow whatever he woudl do in order for the innocent, rather, those who seek good, to search and find Salvation.

God did not make Hitler be the devil he was, he made himself such, and many godless people followed him, and that was not only in Germany.

People are all to hasty to say God is punishing, when in fact God is allowing the godless portion of mankind, the majority, to have free will to act as they will Yes, kgod allows tyrantss to rule, but He does not vote for any of them.....think, meditate and pray on this subject, it is important for all children to understand their will is God's will and not that of evil mankind.
I agree with you that God allows mankind to do whatever they want, and people are evil on their own right.

But, I cannot bypass the Scriptures from the NT and OT that clearly state God is the one that sets up kings and all other authorities
 

Hevosmies

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Let me fix that for you:



There we go, much better now, and thankfully Biblical!
I like the humor you used in the reply.

But this part stings me: We should then take heed, and seek God's mercy!

How can they take heed, and seek God's mercy? Since nobody can, unless God gives them that gift of repentance / faith /regeneration /whatever you want to call it.

That thing doesnt run too far, no matter the exegetical hermeneutical whatevers