Should we stand with Israel?

I didn't say I ''didn't like it'' anymore than Paul said it. What I don't like is the futurist dispensational fantasies surrounding it and
many other things contained in it.

So Gods truth and his promises are fantasies huh?

It is only a fantasy when you spiritualise the word of God to fit your belief system.

I know every futurist does not believe the same, and there are some wacky things out there. Saying something God said will happen Will not happen. Or make it spiritual. Just because your belief doest fit it. Thats fantasy

We do not have to worry about it for Israel will never go down, or be defeated, for God has the plan to restore the kingdom on earth to Israel and it cannot be thwarted.

The truth is the whole world could go against Israel, locked and loaded with weapons, and they would fail, and they could throw every nuclear weapon against her and they would fail, for she will never go down.

Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.

Israel became a nation again, and is this speaking of fighter pilots, like birds flying, when they paved the way for Israel to win the 6 day war, and take control of Jerusalem.

Israel will never fall, and we Gentiles do not need to fight for her, for God will protect her, and cause her to prosper until He restores the kingdom on earth to her.

But it is sad the few that are hurt and killed in the process.

Jas 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Jas 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Israel is the only people that are justified, and permitted by God to fight physically for their homeland, and Jerusalem the mother of us all, and Gentiles will be in trouble for fighting for their homeland, for we are not to fight against anyone no matter the situation for everybody has to obey turn the other cheek, and be harmless as doves, and feed and clothe your enemy, and resist not evil physically.

Even when God allowed Babylon to go against Israel for their disobedience, and conquer them, and take captives of them, God said He will punish them for doing that.

God determines if the nation stands or falls, and Israel does not need Gentiles to help them for God is on their side, and they will not fall, for they cannot fall, and in the future God will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone, and anyone that burdens themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, although the whole earth is gathered together against her.

God does use the Gentiles to put forth good by physical force, and allows them to take down nations, but they will also be punished for doing so.

If Gentiles help Israel in a fight against her enemy they are doing wrong, and even if God allows that they are still in trouble for it, although God might use those not in the truth to do so.

But that can also be a deception as they have been pushing to have peace in the Middle East, and in the future the New Age Christ shall establish peace in the Middle East, which three and one half years later will deceive all those who do not love God to follow him, and when they do follow him then God will end this sin business on earth.

So the more they try to achieve peace in the Middle East the closer it is to that, and the Middle East having peace is the hindrance to the nations coming together, but when they have peace then the nations will come together and try to establish peace on earth.

So president Trump doing more to try to have peace in the Middle East, and protect Israel, and be on her side, may mean that it is closer to the New Age Christ doing that as no other person has done, and then work as a man of peace for a while, and then claims to be God by the power of nature, the God of forces, and then deceives the world.

But Trump is not that man for he does not fit the mold, for the New Age Christ will not be involved in anything that people do on earth in competition with each other for it is beneath him, and he views himself greater than that, but he will come in like a bang, and establish peace in the Middle East as no person has done before, and then work as a man of peace pushing the new age movement that shall pave the way to the beast kingdom, and then claim to be God, and have power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, something that no other person has done.

And the New Age Christ will be brought up in the occult, and the belief of evolution, in which he believes people can still evolve to be greater, as he learns about the occult, and witchcraft, and trying to harness the power of nature.

And I know some people do not like to hear it, but Trump is in on the plan, and it is the 2 steps forward, 1 step back, 2 steps forward, and they are stalling for time until the right time, and they like to keep the Christians from being outspoken coming together as one, for they could of thwarted the plan years ago if they would of grouped together and spoke out against America if they would of understood the truth, and what was going on, and the purpose of America all along.

But they pacified them, and lullabyed them to sleep, and made them think it is a Christian nation, all the while the occult was in charge, and wanting to produce the New Age Christ as they look at the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, and want to establish the new age movement in the world as standard religion, and stop anything contrary to that, and pave the way for the New Age Christ to appear so they can evolve to be an ascended master, and avatar, like the man Jesus.

But if the Christians banded together in opposition they could of stopped the plan, but it is prophesy that the beast kingdom will come about, so the Christians would of not stopped it, which we see that, and it could not be stopped, so maybe God had a hand in not allowing the Christians to band together to stop it, or maybe their hypocrisy and fighting with each other is what did it.

The Hegel System is in play, and America, and Russia, are working together, and Democrat and Republican, are working together, for it gets everyone involved for they will have some belief they will cling unto, and there is no solution but always going back and forth with each other, and then they make a compromise the blending of the 2 which they believe will produce a better system that either one alone, and then it will cause the nations to come together.

An example is Russia atheist, with the spirituality of America, for they can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and blending of both systems in all areas like that, America and Russia, Democrat and Republican.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one, for they will have caused them to agree enough with each other with the blending of both sides that the nations will come together as one, and away they go.

And there is no competition for the position of the New Age Christ, no election, no physical fighting, but he is the only one running for that position, and he will exalt himself above all people that have ever lived in the whole history of mankind, and pride himself that no person could do what he did.

So people say is it Obama, nay, is it Trump, nay, is it the Pope, nay, is it anybody that competes in politics, the religious arena that are elected, nay, but it is one who stays away from all that for he views himself as unique, and one of a kind, and it would be a cut down to himself, and a hindrance, to be involved in such petty things that the common man does to have an exalted position, whether politics, religions, business, or anything else they compete at, or try to exalt themselves above one another.

So while we are to stand with Israel, in doing so it will cause the New Age Christ to be closer to establishing peace in the Middle East, but that is also prophesy and cannot be thwarted, so America will stand with Israel, and the New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, and the New Age Christ sides with America, for it is their nation, and the way they operated, that was the biggest influence that caused it all to happen.

Which is why the Bible says the nations stand afar off for the fear of her torment, for strong is the Lord God who executes judgment on her, for she is the nation responsible for the resurrecting of the Babylonian system, anything goes multiculturism, and human religion, the occult, nature worship, and Babylon does not fall until the stone cut out of the mountain, not made with hands, Jesus, puts them down, for as long as her ways are on earth she has not fallen, and she still has punishment coming for being the greatest Gentile kingdom, referred to as gold, a lion, and rode on eagle's wings when she had the revelation of God, but she blew it and became known as the kingdom of man.

And like Babylon, America too will blow it, and shall be put down, and they go back to the tower of Babel attitude, let us make us a name.

Which is sad that the country that we thought was the greatest would do this, and in the 1950's the greatest time in patriotism, and getting along, and prosperity, the golden years, the plan was still there to establish the occult, and evolution in the world, but it was not the time yet to put forth the things to cause the country to slip in to moral decay, cause the Christians to be hypocritical, cause people to be against authority, and selfish, and arrogant, and cause people to stray from God, and abandon a higher power, until the 1960's when they let it unleash.

Like the song bye bye miss american pie when the 1960's came.

Man surely is a beast, and would we expect anything different, for they come across as loving, and caring, and then stab you in the back as they put forth their selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting ways, and the occult is the worse belief system in the history of mankind, for it is all about exalting yourself through the power of nature, and they will stop at nothing to achieve what they want, and they want to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and produce the New Age Christ, even if it means billions of people will perish to achieve such a kingdom, and evolving of themselves.

Welcome to reality 101.

Israel has always been surrounded by enemies... What do you mean "what should the U.S. do"? Had it not been for the U.S. ( And England) intervening, The Jews return to Zion would have occurred. I believe that without the U.S. and England being Israeli allies. Israel would be in a whole lot of trouble...

You have misquoted me i did not say what could the US do, the question was directed at Christians and what should they do.

Were Messiah to arrive today in Israel perform miracles as he did then, how would he be received by the temple there?

Matthew 27
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.


The Plot to Kill Jesus
John 11:49 But one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all! 50 You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.” 51 Caiaphas did not say this on his own. Instead, as high priest that year, he was prophesying that Jesus would die for the nation,

Until the third Temple is build everything else is pure speculation.

I'm Christian and always have been but Just curious of what you said because many of my family are orthodox Jews ,,, who do you think will come in it the man of sin or Christ?

My church took a pilgrimage to the middle east and had a difficult time with the Israelis'. They would'nt except their visa's. However, They were welcomed by the Palestinians because of the large Christian population in the Country... I did'nt even know that there were Christians in the middle east save for Armenia...

Well, we have a nation of people who deny Jesus surrounded by many nations who deny Jesus.
Not much piece to be had there.....

Briefly the man of sin has been around for a very long time and lives in the Vatican.

Save for the Palestinians, My church took a pilgrimage to Palestine( Large population of Christians there). Who would have thunk huh.. LOL...

Oh and you're without sin??? LOL!!!

You should search the difference between an Orthodox and a Zionist Jew there's a difference,but I can assure you the Pope nor any gentile will be permitted in the temple.

Anything that would involve a Third Temple would have a lot of obstacles to overcome plus decades of time to complete the task even using modern day methods of construction, the Zionist Jew like the Orthodox share one thing in common that being the rejection of Jesus.

Gentiles do not "help in Israels fight. We protect you... We are your Big brother...LOL. You can only imagine what would occur if we were not...

There then you have your answer to the op,,,all you'll be doing is helping the man of sin by joining his army...

Are you a Messianic Jew or from the Hebrew Roots side of the fence.?