Question(s) to those who believe salvation can be lost

Problem is that you fail to ignore what lies before your bold words. Which is what we do mostly anymore; ignore some parts and focus on the parts that line up with our theology. Let me post it to you the way it says as well:

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;

Now I can see more clearly! Yeah, that sounds like a Christian? Christians don't have a heart of unbelieving do they? Everything after that is VOID when it is discussed about a Christian because of that. This is not referring to children of God.

Again, the devils 'believe'... right? I guess the devils saved? Hopefully point is made clearly!

Let me rebold your scripture again:

But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles.

Let's look at what was said before Jesus explains it:

Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

This is a different kind of heart and person. If two people owned fields, those fields would be separated by rocks so that the fields could be separated from one another. There will be some earth on these stones but not much, so when the seed is thrown out there liberally, some of the seed will land on these stony dividers. So when it’s sown, and the sun comes out, it kills what had sprouted because there is no depth in their growth.

A plant will grow roots, and when the roots hit something hard like a rock, the roots are actually pushing the plant upwards. So the plant above ground looks really healthy. The issue is that the roots can’t go any further, so they are unable to get to the nutrients and soil that they need to grow properly. So, on the outside they look great, but on the inside they are not. Doesn’t this sound just like the description Christ told the Pharisees? To see this a bit further, let’s look at the Greek for deepness (they had no deepness).

bath'-os

From the same as G901; profundity, that is, (by implication) extent; (figuratively) mystery: - deep (-ness, things), depth.

These people had no insight or great depth of knowledge or thought. That is exactly what profundity means. This means that they heard the Word of God, got excited about it, and for a little while was on fire, but without a deep insight or a depth of knowledge, they never got the Word deeply ingrained in their heart. They have the nutrients they do need, but they don’t get them because their heart is not into getting them, and when the trials and tribulations come, they give up. They don't get the nutrients they need: CHRIST, which leads to eternal salvation.

How many times have we seen someone claim to come to the Lord and they have all the outward signs that they are just on fire for the Lord. They witness, share their testimony and appear to just be loving life now. Then when something happens in their life, they whither up and don’t stay with the Lord.

They hear it, have knowledge of it, but not a deep rooted knowledge, or they would have stayed with the Lord. These people never allowed what knowledge they had to take them into saving faith. They have made an OUTWARD decision, but never made an INWARD commitment. They are excited, but when things don’t go their way, trials come, tribulation arises, they expect God to be the Genie in the book they can rub, and He’s going to just make it all better. They think that, well, I’ve been doing this and doing that, so why is THIS happening? Why is THAT happening? Don’t you love me Jesus? Then they leave, without ever coming to the saving faith in Christ Jesus.

Jesus explains this in verse 21:

Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Says it all…

That's it right there brother!

Right

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If you sinning and you are LOVING it... LIVING it... SLEEPING with it... And call yourself a brother... which again, when Paul says, "one who is called a brother" doesn't make them a brother... well if they are doing that? They need to examine themselves? How? By the Word of God....

Those are warning to people to make sure they ARE TRULY saved; not warnings of losing our salvation

Your used of "I think" says that you are not sure. At any rate, the man was a 'brother' per verse 11.

"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person" (I Corinthians 5:11-13).

I've already explained this.... "I THINK" you would of read it.

"Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God" (Romans 2:17).

Then I guess this guy isn't really a Jew . . .

"And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene" (Matthew 2:23).

Of course, Jesus was never really a Nazarene . . .

Wow, talk about not dealing with the text, and jumping to another. Very poor and invalid argument. It proves nothing.

Next!

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

"He that deviseth to do evil shall be called a mischievous person" (Proverbs 24:8).

I'm sure this guy will be glad to know that he is really a nice guy.

And yet another poor and invalid argument.

With all due respect you are showing as to why you have such poor understanding of texts!

Do you think I really care about your assumptions?

Not in the least, but I do care about you even though you say I am lost. Still praying for you; i.e. Ephesians 1:18!

What is your issue with murder? I am with the rest of them, not sure where you are going with all this. First u're freaked out on polygamy, and now murder. You realize you do sins ALL THE TIME? Forget Murder. As yourself if you keep on sinning, are YOU burning in Hell? Sometimes we beat around the bush and don't even look at our own lives in perspective. Sin IS Sin; no matter how little or big. There is no such thing as good sin.

How can people go to Church without believing?

Rev 21

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

King James Version (KJV)

I do not have problem with murder or adulterer that is their business.

But to say that murder or adulterer untill die go to heaven, acuused God liar.

I believe rev 21:18 is God word and He never lie

"If a man abide not in me,.... Christ does not say, "if ye abide not in me"; he would not suppose this of his true disciples; Judas now being removed, to whom he may have some respect in this verse; though it may be applied to anyone who has made a profession of Christ, and denies the truths of the Gospel, neglects the ordinances of it, or walks unworthy of his profession: of whom the following things may be truly said,

he is cast forth as a branch; that is unfruitful, and is therefore taken away from the vine, and cast forth out of the vineyard. This signifies the ejection of worthless and fruitless professors out of the churches; for such who are either unsound in their principles, or are remiss and negligent in their attendance on the worship of God, with the church, or are loose and vain in their lives and conversations, are to be removed from communion with the people of God. "

Again, perfect example. Person that is "CALLED" a brother in the Corinthian Church, but they get the boot because they are wicket and unfruitful.

"If a man, abide not in me - If a man is not truly united to him by faith, and does not live with a continual sense of his dependence on him. This doubtless refers to those who are professors of religion, but who have never known anything of true and real connection with him."

"Is withered - Is dried up. A branch cut off withers. So of a soul unconnected with Christ, however fair it may have appeared. and however flourishing when a profession of religion was first made, yet when it is tried, and it is seen that there was no true grace, everything withers and dies. The zeal languishes, the professed love is gone, prayer is neglected, the sanctuary is forsaken, and the soul becomes like a withered branch reserved for the fire of the last great day. "

This is the perfect truth of our spiritual position in Christ Jesus! Plan and simple and easily understood. Can't take this out of context.

Yeah, change your name, color your hair, tattoo your body with I have no parents, disown them, say you don't have parent.... Move to another country... Can't change the fact that your DNA will always match with theirs. Spiritual DNA also applies.

It depends on what you are trying to say with quoting the verse. Are you saying that you are sinlessly perfect? or are you saying that a Christian is incapable of sinning in their spirit--the inner sanctum where God dwells?

What appears to be simple and easily understood is not always so.