Three Days and Three Nights

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No one in the history of the church has proven that Christ died on a Wednesday, or a Thursday. All of these attempts are made to figure out the "3 days and 3 nights" Christ mentioned because of a difficulty with this statement and a traditional dying on Friday which is supported by Scripture.

Some believe it ("3 days and 3 nights") to be a figure of speech, and, that he died on Friday. Of course it is also believed to be the same with Jonah, a figure of speech. I'm not tripping out here thinking it had to be literal, to the very last second. 40 days is probably a figure of speech. 1000 is probably also a figure of speech, not an exact number. Consider this text; Psalm 50:10. Does this mean God only owns the cattle on a 1000 hills, and on hill number 1001 and so on, they're not his? Which 1000 hills are they? Which hill is number 1372? They have to be numbered, so which ones are which?

Now, if any of you care to prove it was literally 72 hours to the very second, I'm here to listen.

I'm contented with the possibility that it was a figure of speech. Some of you that can't think critically or accept figurative language and are on an unsustainable path to interpret Scripture accurately and consistently - much of what Jesus said was figurative and you'll have to deal with this. Insert fundamentalist posturing here "I only take the Bible LITERALLY and you are on your way to hell for taking it figuratively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah, "I know." :rolleyes:

Please pluck out your right eye and cut off your right hand and prove your literal interpretation claim to be true.

This fact of figurative speech does not do away with one thing that he was saying in any instance. Note Matthew 13:13 and Matthew 11:25-30 for further thought.

Now, go ahead, tear me to pieces, malign, bear false witness and disparage me.
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You seem to not understand there are annual Sabbaths in addition to the weekly Sabbath.

The Gospels state Jesus was crucified during Passover. Passover starts with an annual Sabbath and ends with an annual Sabbath. This can be easily verified with a simple Google search. Therefore the concept that the Sabbath he was crucified before was the weekly Sabbath is very possibly erroneous. Especially since one of the gospels states it was a high day meaning an annual Sabbath. The weekly Sabbath normally is in the Passover week and possibly might align with an annual Passover Sabbath.
 
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I go with what Jesus told the Pharisees.

Matthew 12 NIV
The Sign of Jonah
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here.
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The fact that the tomb was empty on Sunday means it was an annual Sabbath. That Sabbath would have been on Wednesday at the latest making the second Passover Sabbath Thursday at the latest. That would have him in the tomb from Wednesday late afternoon to Saturday late afternoon.

All you have to do is count the days backwards from Sunday.
 
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Someone new looking in may know of examples.
 
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re: "Of what?"

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. if anyone falls in that group of believers I am simply asking for examples to support that belief; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime and/or no part of a night time could have occurred.
 
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Threads at times certainly do get derailed. It is my opinion, based on scripture that Jesus was dead for literally 3 exact evenings and mornings which is how a length of day is stated in Genesis. There was also a high sabbath leading up to the Jesus dying on the cross so therefore Jesus did not die on 'Good Friday' but rather Wednesday evening before Sundown. He rose from the dead on Saturday evening before the start of the weekly Sabbath after a period of 72 hours or 3 days, and appeared on the first day of the week which is Sunday.
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Your absolutely correct tourist , any other scenario would either have Jesus breaking a feast day , or he couldn't have fulfilled the 3 days and 3 nights .

The teacher I learned this from , if could have presented his findings before a court of law , would have proven his case beyond reasonable doubt . There's no other possible explanation !

He also had someone figure out when the next year would work for the 3 days and 3 nights , and not breaking a feast day . That opportunity for Christ to die , spend 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb and rise , could not happen for the next 2500 years . In other words , God worked this out on the only week possible in what my teacher calls ," God showing off ."

My instructor didn't teach on this on a Sunday afternoon . He taught this for months and months with all ancient be texts at his finger tips for over 55 years . A Stanford University prop level . So I don't say you correct lightly .o
 
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Your absolutely correct tourist , any other scenario would either have Jesus breaking a feast day , or he couldn't have fulfilled the 3 days and 3 nights .

The teacher I learned this from , if could have presented his findings before a court of law , would have proven his case beyond reasonable doubt . There's no other possible explanation !

He also had someone figure out when the next year would work for the 3 days and 3 nights , and not breaking a feast day . That opportunity for Christ to die , spend 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb and rise , grcould not happen for the next 2500 years . In other words , God worked this out on the only week possible in what my teacher calls ," God showing off ."

My instructor didn't teach on this on a Sunday afternoon . He taught this for months and months with all ancient be texts at his finger tips for over 55 years . A Stanford University prop level . So I don't say you correct lightly .o
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In my younger days I was confused by the teachings about the crrucifiction and resurrection with Jesus saying 3 days and nights with the teachers conflating that into Friday to Sunday. It made no sense to me but that's what was taught. Then much later I learned about annual Sabbaths then the fact that Passover had a Sabbath to start and end Passover week. Then it all started to make sense. He was not crucified before the weekly Sabbath but as one gospel put it a high day meaning an annual Sabbath. At that point the 3 days and nights was perfectly clear. The fact he was crucified during Passover meant the Sabbath was the second Sabbath of Passover. That allowed the 3 days to be completed before Sunday when the tomb was empty.
 
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Addendum
How when God did creation he knew the end from the begining. He then set the moon in a particular orbit. This caused another issue with an eclipse condemning a country when it crosses from one side to the other. Every time that has happened to a powerful country it has fallen to what these days we call a third world country. With that fact in mind realize the US had an eclipse cross east to west. Then in 2024 another eclipse crossing from northeast to southwest US crossing 7 cities named Salem. Obviously God in his awesome foreknowledge planned that from creation. It boggles the mind to even try to understand the awesomeness of God.
 
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Endoscopy,
re: "In my younger days I was confused by the teachings about the crrucifiction and resurrection with Jesus saying 3 days and nights with the teachers conflating that into Friday to Sunday. It made no sense to me but that's what was taught. Then much later I learned about annual Sabbaths then the fact that Passover had a Sabbath to start and end Passover week. Then it all started to make sense. He was not crucified before the weekly Sabbath but as one gospel put it a high day meaning an annual Sabbath."


That's an issue for a different topic.
 
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Endoscopy,
re: "In my younger days I was confused by the teachings about the crrucifiction and resurrection with Jesus saying 3 days and nights with the teachers conflating that into Friday to Sunday. It made no sense to me but that's what was taught. Then much later I learned about annual Sabbaths then the fact that Passover had a Sabbath to start and end Passover week. Then it all started to make sense. He was not crucified before the weekly Sabbath but as one gospel put it a high day meaning an annual Sabbath."


That's an issue for a different topic.
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I repeat. Absolutely not. It refutes
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Does it really matter how the Jews of Jesus day counted a day? Let's not forget all of the rules they put in place concerning God's sabbath day; rules that God NEVER gave to them, but yet they tried to enforce.

Let's go to the source and find out how many hours God says there are in a day;

John 11
[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Now unless during Christ time there was LESS that 12hrs in a night that would mean that a full day consisted of 24hrs. Now let's read how long GOD, not man said He would be in the grave;

Matt.12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

So.....we already know how long God said a day consisted of; "...Are there not twelve hours in the day...", so let's just go with that. Let's say that Jesus was speaking of 3 consecutive periods all consisting of 12hrs, or 3 'days', or 36hrs.

If He was in the grave before sunset, which God's law said He had to be, AND if that day was Friday as man claims, then from sunset Fri. to sunset. Sat would be 24hrs. That leaves us (1) 12hr period left.

And from sunset Sat to sunrise Sun. would be the other 12hr. period.

BUT........did Jesus rise at sunrise? Let's read of the account.....


John 20
[1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
[2] Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

So Jesus was out of the grave BEFORE sunrise. So that would mean he was NOT in the grave for a full 36hr period. And since it was Jesus that said there are 12hrs. in a day either He lied or man has something wrong.


Please note.....I didn't even take into account of the THREE NIGHTS that Jesus also spoke about.

There is no way that Jesus could have been in the grave for, as He said, "...so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.", if the day He was buried was on a Friday.

You can't even get 36hrs and still align with scripture; that being He was out of the grave BEFORE sunrise, "...when it was yet dark..."


So again.....does it really matter what the Jews of Jesus day or ANY day counted a day?

God said there are 12 hours in a day, not one second more, not one second less.

And when I last counted.....that would mean there are also 12 hours in s night; that gives us a total of 24 hours.

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You ignore the fact that day has multiple meanings. The 2 Main ones are the daylight hours and a 24 hour period. In the Bible the 24 hour day starts at sunset. Same as in Israel today. Context tells you which definition applies.

The second error you have is he was not buried on Friday. He was crucified during Passover which begins and ends with an annual Sabbath. One gospel refers to it as a high day meaning an annual Sabbath. It was a high day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (last Sabbath of Passover). Therefore the day preceding is described as preparation day not Friday.

I suggest you read the Gospels carefully in this regard. Do not use words it does not use and substitute your own word of your understanding. That is how errors are caused.
 
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Endoscopy,
re: "You ignore the fact that day has multiple meanings."

Because that's an issue for a different topic.


re: "The second error you have is he was not buried on Friday. "

If it's an error, it's not my error. It would be an error with those who think the burial was on the 6th day of the week.



re: " Do not use words it does not use and substitute your own word of your understanding."

What word have I used in accordance with what you think is my understanding?
 
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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
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The Messiah was indeed entombed 3 days and 3 nights. He was not crucified on a Friday as ordinarily taught by the churches. The reason behind this is because there is a confusion between two different Shabbats that happened the week of his death, the High Shabbat of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the weekly Shabbat. The Messiah died before the High Shabbat, not the weekly Shabbat. Read this study for more details, http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2018/11/1...ghts-and-the-high-shabbat-and-weekly-shabbat/ .
 
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Yeah Wolfy you got it! As the evening presedes the day Jesus had His last supper just before He was arrested on THURSDAY EVENING... Or as we would say Wednesday around 8 PM. Actually it was the second hour of Thursday. As Thursday first hour starts at 6 pm sunset of Wednesday.
Now the first hour of Thursday (our Wednesday 6pm to 7 pm) Jesus and His disciples were in the upper room ready to share the last supper. Then they sung a hymn and they left for the mount of Olives I would reckon about 9pm our Wednesday but actually third hour on Thursday.
Around the 5th or 6th hour (Wednesday 11 pm 12 pm) they came to arrest Him. Then come the 12th hour, daybreak of Thursday (also our Thursday 6am) the chief priests held council and jesus was carried away to be trialed!
That day during the sun-hours Jesus was crucified, died and as WOLFY said, on or just before sunset (Friday evening) (our Thursday evening) Jesus was burried. So let us see in our days in BLUE and Jewish days in Red when what happened...
Wednesday evening Jesus went to the upper room with His disciples...
Thursday morning Jesus was trialed.
Thursday evening or just before Jesus was burried! So Thursday evening ....Grave Night #1
Friday morning and evening...Grave... Day # 1 Night #2
Saturday morning and evening.... Grave. Day#2 night#3
Sunday morning..... the THIRD DAY JESUS WAS UP AND ALIVE!!!!

Now for the Jewish days in RED
Thursday evening Jesus went to the upper room.
Thursday morning Jesus was trialed
Thursday day, Jesus was crucified and died and burried just before FRIDAY evening! So Friday evening night #1.
Friday morning..... Grave, Day#1
Saturday evening and day... Night #2 day #2
Sunday evening night #3 and Sunday morning... THE THIRD DAY JESUS WAS UP AND ALIVE

No matter how we count He did as the Bible SAID!!!
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You're missing a day, 3 whole days and 3 whole nights. The Messiah was trialed and crucified on a Wednesday, not on a Thursday, and so, would've been entombed Wednesday night (night 1), Thursday day (day 1), Thursday night (night 2), Friday day (day 2), Friday night (night 3), and Saturday day (day 3), and then would've been resurrected the next Jewish day anytime after 6:00pm Saturday night but before the morning of Sunday. Read this study for details, http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2018/11/1...ghts-and-the-high-shabbat-and-weekly-shabbat/ .
 
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Biblical proof? Instead of giving us a link that leads to a heretic named Christian, who says Christ is created, just answer from Scripture.
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The biblical proof is 3 days and 3 nights requirement,

For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matthew 12:40)

And his death before the High Shabbat, not the weekly Shabbat,

On the first day you shall hold a set-apart convocation, and on the seventh day a set-apart convocation. No work shall be done on those days. But what everyone needs to eat, that alone may be prepared by you. (Exodus 12:16)

Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Shabbat (for that Shabbat was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31–42)

Which would've thus been on a Wednesday, the day of his death, "3 days and 3 nights", in 30 AD.
 
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The biblical proof is 3 days and 3 nights requirement,

For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matthew 12:40)

And his death before the High Shabbat, not the weekly Shabbat,

On the first day you shall hold a set-apart convocation, and on the seventh day a set-apart convocation. No work shall be done on those days. But what everyone needs to eat, that alone may be prepared by you. (Exodus 12:16)

Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Shabbat (for that Shabbat was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31–42)

Which would've thus been on a Wednesday, the day of his death, "3 days and 3 nights", in 30 AD.
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Um, no.

"The Day of Preparation was always Friday, the day before the Sabbath. Mark 15:42 makes this clear."

more: https://www.gotquestions.org/Day-of-Preparation.html
 
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Um, no.

"The Day of Preparation was always Friday, the day before the Sabbath. Mark 15:42 makes this clear."

more: https://www.gotquestions.org/Day-of-Preparation.html
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The "day of preparation" was a day before any Shabbat that was coming the next day, beginning in the evening, whether it be a weekly Shabbat, or a High Shabbat. It was a day to "prepare" for not being able to work the next day, in either instance of any Shabbat. In the case of the week the Messiah died, the "day of preparation" was the day before the HIGH SHABBAT, hence, which is why the Jews did not want to enter the governor's headquarters, to be able to eat the lamb of the Passover that night, which was the night that began the next Jewish day, which was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the High Shabbat,

Since it was the day of Preparation, and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Shabbat (for that Shabbat was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away. (John 19:31–42)

And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Shabbat, (Mark 15:42)

It was the day of Preparation, and the Shabbat was beginning. (Luke 23:54)

Then they led Yeshuah from the house of Caiaphas to the governor’s headquarters. It was early morning. They themselves did not enter the governor’s headquarters, so that they would not be defiled, but could eat the Passover. (John 18:28)

On the first day you shall hold a set-apart convocation, and on the seventh day a set-apart convocation. No work shall be done on those days. But what everyone needs to eat, that alone may be prepared by you. (Exodus 12:16)
 
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povawiqe,
re: "The Messiah was indeed entombed 3 days and 3 nights. He was not crucified on a Friday..."

Then this topic does not apply to you. It is intended for those who believe the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and who think the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time.
 
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Endoscopy,
re: "You ignore the fact that day has multiple meanings."

Because that's an issue for a different topic.


re: "The second error you have is he was not buried on Friday. "

If it's an error, it's not my error. It would be an error with those who think the burial was on the 6th day of the week.



re: " Do not use words it does not use and substitute your own word of your understanding."

What word have I used in accordance with what you think is my understanding?
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The problem is those stating Friday burial and Sunday morning resurrection ignore what the Gospels clearly state.
1. He was crucified during Passover week.
2. There are annual Sabbaths in addition to the weekly Sabbaths.
3. Pesach aka Passover week begins and ends with an annual Sabbath.
4. The Gospels never state Friday. It instead states Preparation Day which precedes ANY Sabbath.
5. Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights because his sign of being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah.
6. The tomb was empty on Sunday.

Item 4 is where you go into error.
Explain how you get 3 days and 3 nights between Friday late afternoon to an empty tomb Sunday morning.
 
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preacher4truth,
re: "I'm contented with the possibility that it was a figure of speech."


But was it a common figure of speech? In other words, was it common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be or was involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur?
 
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