God The Father

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Noblemen

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God can create worlds without end, He can speak and it is, command and it standsfast, Psalms.
But God cannot create one son, they have to be birthed.
God can be alot of things such as His Omnipotence, Omnipresent, Omniscient, and the like, but He cannot be Father without a son, son's are birthed by the Fatherhood of God. A literal birthing process takes place the moment you believed.
With that, the child of God will know they are bonified children of God, by the birthing of the Father.
There is no other way to become a child of God.
There were no birthed children in the Old Testament, they had a God to people relationship.
Matter of fact the Old Testament does not even speak of God birthing His own children.
According to Romans 16: 25, no one knew what God had hid inside of Him,

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

You understand the mystery is "Christ in you the hope of glory."

That is the birthing, God would take a part of Himself and place it in the believing creature, His creation, unique in themselves to express the Christ in them.
This understanding flows from the heart of your Father.
Religion creates god's that have nothing to do with the Father.
It's own idea's, forms of worship, and doctrines about what they think God is.
Either a mean Old Testament God, or a loving God that allows it's followers to live a lifestyle separate from a Father that birthed them.
Keeping them away from the true message of who they are.
Without confusion religion would not exist.
It takes confusion to perpetrate the lie Satan has espoused in religion.
It is not unlike the politics of the day where confusion is so rampant to keep it's followers in the dark.
At some point in a believers understanding they will realize that "the lie" of all lies comes from Satan himself, and has since the beginning of time.
The deception of the knowledge of good and evil exsists in the mind only to deceive the born again.
The miracle you recieved by the cross the moment you believed was in spirit only.
You will spend the rest of your life trying to renew the mind to the Christ that is in you, seeing how God the Father birthed you to be His own.
 
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But God cannot create one son, they have to be birthed.
Adam was not a son of God?

What's with all this mysterious 'birthing'? Why not the simple born again through faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour?

Also the expression, 'fatherhood of God' usually accompanied with the 'brotherhood of man' is generally understood to speak of universalism.
 

JaumeJ

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Our Heavenly Father can do anything that pleases Him, anything at all. Never say God cannot for this is haughty and prideful.

Yes, He can do whatever pleases Him, and whatever pleases Him please His Children...
 
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Why is the Son called the Son when the term Son means to be born having a beginning, or else the term Son has no meaning.

But the Bible says that Jesus if from everlasting meaning He has no beginning, and God said there was no God formed before Him, and there shall be no God formed after Him, and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.

Jesus is God that has no beginning, but Son means to be born, so there cannot be a God the Son, and the Bible says that the Son was made according to the flesh, and made of a woman, made under the law, and Jesus is the beginning of creation, although He was not born until 4000 years later.

Because the Son is the man Christ Jesus, and there is no God the Son.

The Bible says but to us there is but one God, the Father, and one God, the Father, who is above all, and through you all, and in you all.

And the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, for there is only one deity, the Father, who is a Holy Spirit, and the Father said He will reveal a new name to the Jews, and speak to them, which Jesus told Philip if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father, and the words that I speak are not My own, but the Father that dwells in Me, He does the works.

And Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, so why would the third person of a trinity be manifest in flesh, and not God the Son manifest in flesh.

One God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

God said thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Bible only attributes the Father as being God, which the Jews knew the Father was a Holy Spirit.

The trinity is a pagan concept, and Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, for Jesus said He came in His Father's name, and the Son inherited the name from the Father, and the Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus, and Jesus created all things, came in flesh, and dwells in the saints, for He said the Spirit is the Comforter, and He will not leave the disciples comfortless, but will come to them.

Jesus told the disciples when He resurrects to heaven to not ask Him anything, but ask the Father and He will do it, but in another scripture Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.

They do not ask the man Christ Jesus, but they ask the Father, and there is only one God, the Father.

Father and Son, is God and man,
 

JaumeJ

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There are mysteries we probably will never know in this age. Faith resolves all mysteries..

It is written, Jesus Christ would be referred to as thee Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Comrotrter, Counselor, Ruler of peace, and more.

When Moses asked the One in the burning bushe who he should say sent hime to the children of Israel, the response was I am tht I am...…….in other words I will BER how I will be.

Perhaps you need logice or a scientific approach to understand this…..if so no man can help you for mysteries are such as is their names…….to be revealed. Until the revelation faith should suffice for any child of God…. Believe Him……..
 

Noblemen

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Adam was not a son of God?

What's with all this mysterious 'birthing'? Why not the simple born again through faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour?

Also the expression, 'fatherhood of God' usually accompanied with the 'brotherhood of man' is generally understood to speak of universalism.
I don't know if I understand what you had to say about Adam but he was created a living soul not a son.
 

Noblemen

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There are mysteries we probably will never know in this age. Faith resolves all mysteries..

It is written, Jesus Christ would be referred to as thee Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Comrotrter, Counselor, Ruler of peace, and more.

When Moses asked the One in the burning bushe who he should say sent hime to the children of Israel, the response was I am tht I am...…….in other words I will BER how I will be.

Perhaps you need logice or a scientific approach to understand this…..if so no man can help you for mysteries are such as is their names…….to be revealed. Until the revelation faith should suffice for any child of God…. Believe Him……..
And the mystery has been revealed, Christ alive in the believer. I believe according to scripture Christ does need to be revealed by the HolySpirit, in the believer
 
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I don't know if I understand what you had to say about Adam but he was created a living soul not a son.
" . . . Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God" (Luke 3:38). Next?
 

JaumeJ

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All yu say sounds reasonable until you said God cannot………...these are not the words nor the understanding of one who believes God.

I do not pretend to understand the Being that is GodBut I ccan say I believe Him

The Father can do whatever pleases Him an whatever pleases Him is always good.

Why do you limit your faith with your conception of words¿ Words are only oral renditions of concepts, nothing more, and nothing less. Believe God and lean not on you own understanding.

When you believe every word that proceeds from His Mouthy you will have peace evermore. Blessed be Jesus Christ, Yeshua, amen.
 
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All yu say sounds reasonable until you said God cannot………...these are not the words nor the understanding of one who believes God.

I do not pretend to understand the Being that is GodBut I ccan say I believe Him

The Father can do whatever pleases Him an whatever pleases Him is always good.

Why do you limit your faith with your conception of words¿ Words are only oral renditions of concepts, nothing more, and nothing less. Believe God and lean not on you own understanding.

When you believe every word that proceeds from His Mouthy you will have peace evermore. Blessed be Jesus Christ, Yeshua, amen.
I agree with what you say, but I do believe that God cannot circumvent the free will of man. God may wish that all men repent and be saved, but all men will not repent and be saved. God can do nothing but allow man to decide his own fate.
 

JaumeJ

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I agree with what you say, but I do believe that God cannot circumvent the free will of man. God may wish that all men repent and be saved, but all men will not repent and be saved. God can do nothing but allow man to decide his own fate.
God says so what if I justify the ungodly, and some people are so by My Will.
It is also written, in Romans I believe, that many pagans have the truth inscribed on their hearts with their own consciences accusing and excusing them as they act.

Also judge not by appearances but with right judgment.

This is why we pray for all souls, ad we do not limit our Father by saying He cannot......

God cannot is not in the vocabulary of any who believe Him, whoare become agains as children.
 

BenFTW

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God cannot lie. God doesn't operate contradictory to His nature, which is righteous and holy. Or, do you propose that God can lie, but chooses not to? @JaumeJ
 

JaumeJ

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I have only repeated what is written in the Word with understanding as far as I beliee…..I have not ev en inferred anywhere that my Father, Yahweh, is a liar. How can you derive such a thought? Where do I say god lied...? Nowhere. If you believe I have said such you are not understanding.
 

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I have only repeated what is written in the Word with understanding as far as I beliee…..I have not ev en inferred anywhere that my Father, Yahweh, is a liar. How can you derive such a thought? Where do I say god lied...? Nowhere. If you believe I have said such you are not understanding.
You said "God cannot is not in the vocabulary" of believers, but scripture itself tells us what God cannot do.

Hebrews 6:18
So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

Numbers 23:19
God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

It is not that we limit God by saying that He cannot do something, it is that He reveals Himself to be constant. He is righteous and therefore cannot partake in unrighteousness.
 

JaumeJ

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In reference to what I was responding to this does not apply. I have a good conscience about my post in the sight of god…...would you want to change that=
 
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God cannot lie. God doesn't operate contradictory to His nature, which is righteous and holy. Or, do you propose that God can lie, but chooses not to? @JaumeJ
How would that apply to sign and wonders as oral traditions of men who seek after a sign called a sign gift before they will commit faith?

Who is it that represents the evil generation that apposes the generation of faith ? Those who appose prophecy (walking by faith) or confirm it "no sign" to needed to confirm belief.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Matthew 12:39

But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
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Luke 11:29

And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
 

Noblemen

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" . . . Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God" (Luke 3:38). Next?
Need to study that out, missing the context, has nothing to do with a birthed son. There are no born again until the finished work of the cross
 

Noblemen

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But the Bible says that Jesus if from everlasting meaning He has no beginning, and God said there was no God formed before Him, and there shall be no God formed after Him, and Jesus is God manifest in the
Nice someone has the trinity down to absulutes
 

Noblemen

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Appreciate all the comments. If I may suggest that all take a deep breathe and let tge born again experience knowledge roll around in you, with the common since we have.
We are quick to spiritualize everything and miss the simple things God places under our noses.