Is God that cruel?

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Dino246

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The bilble isn't everything..it doesn't teach you anything
God has taught me a whole lot through the Bible. Have you read Lee Strobel's The Case For Christ? If not, I recommend it.
 
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Perhaps you should rephrase?
Yes...the bible just tells you what to do, to became a better person ..but it doesn't show you how to do it. It tells you "be good" but doesn.t show you how
 

Lillywolf

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Yes...the bible just tells you what to do, to became a better person ..but it doesn't show you how to do it. It tells you "be good" but doesn.t show you how
Thank you for rephrasing.
 
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Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?

I would say more than a little cruel but a eternity of cruelty.

God is a God of mercy. He is not merciless.

The dead who have not been freely given a new born again spirit will not rise to new spirit life on the last day. Those who have born again will rise to new spirit life.

You could say different kinds of mercy . Both eternal
 

Hevosmies

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Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
 

memyselfi

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Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?
Why do you think it is cruel for G-d to respect peoples choice to go to hell. G-d said choose my Son have eternal life or go to hell; people chose not to. I do not understand at all how you blame G-d for people choosing hell!?!
 
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"...with the purified you show yourself pure; and with the crooked you make yourself seem tortuous." Psalm 18:26.

Therefore it is a commentary on us, not God.
 

BenFTW

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How can they choose when God chose those by name for salvation before the world, and the salvation principle, came to exist?
Ah, now I see. This is your shtick. Predestination. Do you find this principle central to your presentation of the Gospel (if ever presented)? "I would like to share the Gospel with all of you, but do know, some percentage of you will not be saved tonight." Talk about real assurance, lol.
 

Lillywolf

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Ah, now I see. This is your shtick. Predestination. Do you find this principle central to your presentation of the Gospel (if ever presented)? "I would like to share the Gospel with all of you, but do know, some percentage of you will not be saved tonight." Talk about real assurance, lol.
I lost interest when you hoped to impugn my thoughts using the derogatory phrase, shtick.
 

Lillywolf

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Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Excellent scripture if you'd have pasted the entirety of that part of Paul's letters to the Romans speaking of The Creator Is Making Known His Wrath And His Mercy In Humankind
19 Therefore you will say to me, “Why then does He still find-fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 O human, on the contrary, who are you, the one answering-back to God? The thing formed will not say to the one having formed it, “Why did you make me like-this?”, will it? 21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 But what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make-known His power, bore with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction, 23 and did so in order that He might make-known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy which He prepared-beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom He called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles?

The whole of the chapter is a very good read.
 
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Well..as you can see..everything is dual, dark and light, cold and warmt, good and bad..and that makes me believe that God is dual too..that he is good and evil at the same time. Otherwise how do you explain evil..how it appeared? If not created by God..cause he is the alpha and omega.(who put the pride in Lucifer's heart?...it wasn't born of anything i'm sure)
I don't know the answer to this either..because God is too big and complex for some intelectual animals like us to understand..in the state we find ourself now, full of ego. But i'm sure we can descover more and more if we seek Him..and to do that we must descover ourself first "Man, know yourself and you will know the Universe and the Gods."
Isn’t that from Delphi? “God” isn’t good and bad. “God” is balance. When there is unbalance then bad occurs. We are definitely not privileged to all information but He has left clues.
 

PennEd

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Because..it has more sense to me...and no one could convince me otherwise...they don't have any argumenst against it
So no one can convince you that Jesus is the ONLY way, and that those who reject Him will be destroyed, yet you come to a Christian site and peddle reincarnation?
 

Hevosmies

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Excellent scripture if you'd have pasted the entirety of that part of Paul's letters to the Romans speaking of The Creator Is Making Known His Wrath And His Mercy In Humankind
19 Therefore you will say to me, “Why then does He still find-fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 O human, on the contrary, who are you, the one answering-back to God? The thing formed will not say to the one having formed it, “Why did you make me like-this?”, will it? 21 Or does not the potter have authority over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 But what if God, wanting to demonstrate His wrath and to make-known His power, bore with much patience vessels of wrath having been prepared for destruction, 23 and did so in order that He might make-known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy which He prepared-beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom He called not only from the Jews, but also from the Gentiles?

The whole of the chapter is a very good read.
Im aware of the context. I agree with Paul