Not By Works

I get what he is saying......genuine faith is what saves....those saved will bear fruit/works but the works in and of themselves are NOT what brings forth the faith that saves and or part of the faith that saves.....two separate entities ........not blended for, but the results of......that is how I took it

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Cart before the horse!

Of course, but that was not the focus of my question, you're just grandstanding bro.

Grandstanding.....whaaaaaaaaaaaa....no way...not me....ever HA

I was not responding to a post from you Suzy37, I was responding to TT with whom I have a history. I agree with you and I believe if you sonsider the context of my posts you will see that.

If I have said something you believe is scripturally incorrect, please help a brother out and show me.

I believe you have hit the nail on the head. God has provided His Grace but not everyone who claims it, receives it. This can not be denied. So in His Word, which is written for our admonition, who receives His Grace? That is the question I have been wanting to discuss on this forum since I got here.

I am filled with joy that you also understand the importance of this question and you also see the need to humble our self to God and His Word, and not the religions of the land.

I agree with James, in fact I believe every scripture is contained in every scripture. That His Word flows like a river of living water.

I don't think you are showing hate by showing God's truth about obedience, Faith and Grace and how they fit together like a glove.

You are preaching to the Choir here sister.

Well let's look at what David really said.

Psalms 103:
13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.
15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.
16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.
17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;
18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

I Love the Spirit filled Words the Christ inspired David with. It is in part these Words that prompted my reply to you in the fist place. I'm not sure how you believe David contradicts my post. Please explain.

Psalms 119:
171 My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.
172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Is the Christ not saying that God's Commandments are HIS Righteousness? Should I not strive to follow them then? Even the ones the religions of the land have rejected?

173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.
174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.
175 Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.
176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

If the goal isn't to "walk even as the Christ walked" then we will not strive to do so. But the Christ tells His People:

Luke 13:
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Why would you want to limit your surrender to the one who laid down His life for you?

No Jesus, I will "renew my mind" to a point, but the religious traditions and the praise I get from others, NO, I'm not willing to give those things up for you.

No Jesus, I'll repent to a point, but I'm not giving up MY High days, MY definition of Holy and Clean, My images of God my religion created.

No Jesus, I will allow a few of your Word's to live by, but I refuse to "Live By" EVERY Word of God as you instructed.

As it is written:

Matt. 15:
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

What you seem to purposely omit is the fact that "many" of the "infused works" were not the Word's or "works" of God. They, like the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time, infused or mixed "man's religious tradition" and "Transgression of God's Commandments" along with their "faith" and not the Word of God.

What you are completely ignoring is the fact that "many" of the catholic traditions (Even those you still follow) are not from God. The Pharisees did the same exact thing as Jesus clearly points out. Abraham and Zechariahs, not Peter or James did this.

Abraham, who had, what the Word of God said was "FAITH", didn't do as the Catholic, or modern religions, or as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time. When God gave him instruction He obeyed.

So did Caleb, Noah, Zechariahs, Simeon, Anna, the list goes on. These all "Strived" to follow the Path the Christ "before ordained that we should walk in them". The Catholics, the Pharisees, and your religion reject this path and created a smoother path which "many" follow.

In modern religions a person who "strives to enter" the same path the Christ walked is trying to "earn" Salvation. But a person who rejects God's instructions and follows the religions of the land, "shall surely not die".

There has been several on this forum which have pointed this out to you. But like many of the Word's of God, they are ignored.

Please tell me Studyman, why did the Pharisees hate Jesus, because Jesus was full of good and mercy and grace. But the Pharisee's were full of hypocrisy, condemnation, and self-righteousness. If Jesus did something good the Pharisees were quick to step in and criticize. Quote: If Jesus came along and healed a little puppy the Pharisees would come and criticize His work and kick the dog.

That's you Studyman and once more your posts reveal that you never refer to "The Christ" as "Jesus" only as "the Christ" For Pete's sake He is a person and it is only right that we refer to our Savior with His personal name, "Jesus." like the song goes, "There's Just Something about that Name.

Take a seat with the Pharisee's Studyman you've earned it.

remember- studyman does not recognize Jesus as Lord and Savior. he denies Christ's deity.

so, a mere man can't be anyone's Lord and Savior. so, that is the key to understanding " the Christ " . or, " the Messiah " .

so, if one thinks that Jesus was only the Messiah, and nothing else, then simply calling Him " the Christ " makes perfect sense. to a very wrong theological place.

I'm sorry but we are to yield to the Holy Spirit because under our own steam we just can't make it. We are to follow Christ's example but never for one minute think you can do so 24/7 of every day/night. Who said the goal wasn't to follow Christ's example? Works, works, strive, strive.

If one does not acknowledge the Deity of Jesus Christ our Lord, then trying to "follow, walk in" will get them no where. Jesus is the Christ who dwells in each believer.

Right on.

hooray!

welcome to CC Suzy

Thank you gb9, for clarifying how Studyman denies the deity of our Savior Jesus Christ, and so he will die in his sins unless he repents. I reckon Studyman is in a good place on this forum where he can hear the True Gospel, over and over again.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

The gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

Romans 10:1 - Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. (that sounds so familiar)

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who BELIEVES.

1 Corinthians 1:21 - For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who BELIEVE.

2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

It was not the man Jesus' treatment of puppies that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time hated. It was His obedience to God which is known throughout the Bible as "Righteousness."

Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Heb. 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

1 John 3:
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time hated Him because He was Righteous, just as Cain hated His Brother because he was righteous.

If Jesus had followed their religion which transgressed God's Commandments by their own religious traditions, they would have Loved Him. But Jesus didn't follow Man's religion or man's religious traditions, He followed the "Good" Just and Holy Commands of His Father, many of which the Mainstream Preachers of His time had "Omitted" from their religion as it is written.

The Mainstream Preachers of His time were call Hypocrites" because they called the God of Abraham Lord, Lord, but refused to walk in His Commandments. Through out the entire Bible it was those who called this God Lord, who were the true enemy of God's People. Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother Cain, Caleb was almost stoned to death by the congregation of the Lord for simply stating the Truth about God and having true Faith in Him.

All the Prophets were hated, not because they were nice to puppies, but because they surrendered their lives to God, while the others who claimed God's Mercy only served Him with their lips. Both Jesus and Stephen were killed by the only God of Abraham preaching people on the planet.

As a preacher you should know these truths. Not reject and hide from them.

That's you Studyman

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I explained my disgust of how you and your religions of the land have created images of God in the likeness of a long haired men's hair shampoo model and have plastered this image all over the world to the extent that this fraud is known planet wide as the man Jesus. You and I both know this is a lie, yet you promote the religion which did this with every post.

You reject His First and Greatest Commandment by doing to Him what you would never want me to do to you or your children.

Imagine if I were to create an image of your daughter or son which you had asked, rather, commanded that I not do. And I created an image which was photo shopped to show your daughter as a sex goddess and then plastered this image with her name on it all over the world, naked.

Or if I created an image of your son who had died in a war or a gang killing, an image which was not Him, but a fraud, and the image of Him was the last seconds of his life laying on the ground bloody as he is stripped naked, tortured, beaten and killed. Then I placed your son's name on this image and plastered it in every house on the planet for 2000 years.

You have no fear, no shame, and no Love. At least not God's Love. And when I hear you preach about how you can treat your own Savior in such a way and expect His Father to grant you the same Mercy He granted those who the religious men of the world hated and killed, it burns in my heart.

This is only one of many sins the White washed walls of our time promote. I haven't even started talking about placing His Holy name on Pagan Festivals while rejecting His Sabbaths that He created for us to "Walk in".

So you go ahead and mock, ridicule and deflect TT. I would expect nothing more. But know that it is my wish that you would at least consider the warnings, and "believe"

Heb. 12:
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:


29 For our God is a consuming fire.

It's about Every Word of God. And it was Jesus, the Word which became Flesh, that instructed me to "Strive" towards something. Did the Jesus follow worthless traditions of man?

1 Cor. 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

2 Cor. 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

So I have never said or even implied that I can save myself. But I do believe what the Scriptures say. I do have my part as it is written.