Not By Works

It seems like even lieing to the Holy Spirit is allowed in your OSAS group.

Here's what the bible says;

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

You have just exposed the true colors of OSAS believers and I see those who agreed with you.

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.Ephesians 5:6

...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11

My source is the Holy Spirit and the word of God....one of these days you will quit relying on commentaries and creeds and actually open your eyes to the truth of scripture....My assesment is correct....!

It seems like even lieing to the Holy Spirit is allowed in your OSAS group.

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Works-salvationists ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stress "obedience that leads to righteousness" as if works of obedience that follow saving faith in Christ are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works.

There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness. *God imputes righteousness apart from works. (verse 6)

In Romans 10:16, we read: But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" We can clearly see that we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16) We don't merit eternal life based on the merits of living a holy life. That is salvation by works. (Romans 4:4-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption alone and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 3:24-28) *When are you going to wake up and smell the coffee?

There are 3 tenses to salvation, which often get mixed up by works-salvationists. 1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin. (justification) 2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin -- "there is your process." (ongoing sanctification) 3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin. (glorification)

Also, Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).

Here is how we get into His BODY: Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise.

1 John 2:6 - the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked. Walking in in obedience to his commands is the demonstrative evidence that we walk in love. Obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. We are saved FOR good works and NOT BY good works. (Ephesians 2:8-10) Works-salvationists place the cart before the horse.

So in Hebrews 5:9, who obeys Him? The saved or the lost? I've heard many works salvationists use Hebrews 5:9 to try and support salvation by works, including Roman Catholics and Mormons. *Only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by keeping (guarding, observing, watching over) His commandments and practicing righteousness and not sin (1 John 2:3; 3:9,10). *In either sense, believers obey Him.*

Unbelievers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith its impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works/based on the merits of their performance. *So in either sense, unbelievers do not obey Him.*

Perverting the gospel by teaching salvation by works is not walking in obedience to His commands or walking in Love or walking as Jesus did. Stop confusing descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture. Unbelievers are not in Christ, have not received the Holy Spirit and will not be saved (John 3:18; Acts 11:17; 15:8,9; Romans 8:9 etc..).

OK wise guy. Put your credentials up against his.

Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg
Christian Literature scholar
Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg - Ancient Languages Scholar

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Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg is an Israeli expert scholar in early and modern Church History. At eTeacher Online Language Academy he holds a position of scholar-in-residence. His accumulated knowledge and current research is being used in many spheres of company’s operation. His also publishes a very interesting and informative blog on the Jewish and Christian Studies.

Dr. Lizorkin-Eyzenberg has received a fair amount of Jewish and Christian education both religious and secular. He holds M.Div. degree in Christian Theology from Reformed Theological Seminary (2000), and M.Phil. degree in Bible Interpretation (2008) and Ph.D. in Ancient Cultures from Stellenbosch University (2011). Additional studies include doctoral and post-doctoral studies at the University of Pennsylvania, Leiden University, Princeton Theological Seminary and Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Outside of his expertise in the ancient languages (Biblical Hebrew, Koine Greek, Syriac and Old Church Slovanic), he has a command of three other modern languages (English, Russian and Hebrew). One of Eli’s greatest passions is building of bridges of trust, respect and understanding between Christians and Jews, overcoming centuries of difficult, but almost always joined history. Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg strongly believes that both Hebrew Bible and the New Testament scriptures have much to teach both communities. He resides with his wife Marina and children in Kfar Saba, Israel. Proudly holding USA and Israeli citizenships.

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Education
2006-2009

Stellenbosch University, Stellenbosch, South Africa - Ph.D. in Ancient Cultures

Dissertation: Aphrahat’s Demonstrations: A Conversation with the Jews of Mesopotamia

2008 – 2009, doctoral fellow

Hebrew University of Jerusalem

2003-2006

Stellenbosch University, Stellenbosch, South Africa - M. Phil. In Bible Interpretation

Thesis: Aspects of the Sabbath in the Late Second Temple Period

1997-2001

Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FL, USA

M. Div. in Theological Studies

1989 -1992

School of Nursing, Dushanbe, Tajikistan - B.A. in Nursing

Professional Experience
2008-present

Spurgeon’s College (University of Wales)

Online Tutor in Biblical Studies

2008-2011

Nazareth Evangelical Theological Seminary

Lecturer in Jewish and Biblical Studies

2005-2011

Israel Theological Seminary and Haifa Theological Institute

Lecturer in Biblical and Christian Studies

Publications and Prizes
Selected Publications:

Jewish Sabbath: A Survey of Late Second Temple Literature. Cherkassi: Colloquium Publishing. Russian. Book. 2006.
The Persian Sage: A Conversation with the Jews of Mesopotamia. CSCO Subsidia. Monograph Series 642. Leuven: Peeters Publishers/Washington, D.C.: Catholic University of America Press. Monograph. English. (2012).
Cyril Lucaris. George T. Kurian (ed). Encyclopedia of Christian Civilization. Oxford: Blackwell. (2009).
Tatian’s Diatessaron. In Encyclopedia of Christian Literature. G. T. Kurian and J. D. Smith III (eds). Lanham: The Scarecrow Press. (2010).
Demonstrations of Aphrahat. In Encyclopedia of Christian Literature. G. T. Kurian and J. D. Smith III (eds) Lanham: The Scarecrow Press. (2010).
A Jewish Journey through St. John’s Writings: A Commentary (in progress).

Selected Lectures:

Jews and Christians in Ancient Iran. Ben Gurion University. Diechman Program. (2012)
Justice and Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. MF Lutheran School of Theology, Oslo (March 2011).
Avalanche of Reconciliation: A Peace-making Wisdom of the Hebrew Bible. Galilee Institute (Dec. 2011).
The Jews of Mesopotamia: The View from the Christian Side. Hebrew University of Jerusalem (2009).
St. Paul and Romans 11. Westminster Theological Seminary. D.Min. Lecture. (2009)
Paul’s Case for the Jews and Their God. Reformed Theological Seminary. (2009)
Understanding Judaismat Christian Leadership Forum, University of Pennsylvania (2008).
Historical Jesus in Aphrahat and Aphrahat’s Jews. Methodological Approaches to the Historical Jesus: The Second Princeton-Prague Symposium on Jesus. Princeton Theological Seminary (2007).

Here is an example of what he posts. This is about women.

The Unlikely Role of the Biblical Woman
Date April 25, 2018
Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg

In Torah we read the following about Eve’s primary function:

וַיֹּאמֶר יהוה אֱלֹהִים לֹא־טוֹב הֱיוֹת הָאָדָם לְבַדּוֹ אֶעֱשֶׂהּ־לּוֹ עֵזֶר כְּנֶגְדּוֹ׃

The LORD God said, “It is not good for man to be alone; I will make a fitting helper for him.” (Gen. 2:18)

The Hebrew word for “woman” is אִשָּׁה (isha) and for “man” אִישׁ (ish). What is interesting, however, is that these two words, “man” אִישׁ (ish) and “woman” אִשָּׁה (isha), although they sound similar do not share a common Hebrew root. The word אִישׁ (ish) comes from the root אִוֵּשׁ, connoting “strength”, while the word אִשָּׁה (isha) comes from the root אֲנָשׁ (anash), meaning “fragile”. The Hebrew Bible, while acknowledging the woman to be a “weaker vessel” (as in 1 Peter 3:7), assigned to a woman a very important role indeed.

Unfortunately, the English word “helper” does not sufficiently communicate the power of the original Hebrew meaning. This word is, in fact, a military term. The use of עֵזֶר (ezer) “helper” connotes an active intervention on behalf of someone. It describes someone who is committed to your well-being to the extent that s/he is willing to die or kill for you.

Most English translations (including the one cited above) describe Adam’s life-partner, Eve, as something akin to a “fitting helper”. However, the Hebrew phrase עֵזֶר כְּנֶגְדּוֹ (ezer kenegdo), if translated more literally, carries an intriguing meaning. Eve is described in oppositional terms, as “a helper who is against him”. It is also interesting that Proverbs 31:10 in referring to wisdom personified as a woman, calls her a אֵשֶׁת-חַיִל (eshet chayil) “a woman-soldier”!

Bible stories such as Zipporah opposing Moses, Tamar opposing Judah, Rahab opposing the elders of the city, and the Samaritan woman opposing male-sanctioned traditions and politics come to mind as examples. These great women of faith intervened, opposing the will of the men involved, and at great personal risk merited an unprecedented place in Biblical history. Join me and discover the beautiful simplicity of the Hebrew culture and language. Understand how it speaks through simple imagery, yet says so much. Begin with Biblical Hebrew: First Steps, continue on to the popular Our Hebrew Fathers series, then get further inspired by Exodus and Leviticus from the Jewish perspective.

As a Christian he also has the guiding of the Holy Spirit!!!
1 equal.
Whole bunch you lose.
You can't ignore his credentials in languages and knowledge of Biblical history and so much more!!!

At times your ego gets in the way!!

...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26


...teaching them to OBEY WHATEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU… Matthew 28:18-20


...And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and TO LOVE one another as he commanded us.1 John 3:23


...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6


For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29


How can those who CLAIM to be saved thru Faith ALONE suffer for Christ if they believe and insist that no works of any sort is needed, but to believe/faith ALONE is sufficient to be saved.


Does a person who teaches obedience to God cause another person to sin by doing so?


Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?


Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?


Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)

Is it obedience to God to break the law?


Did the Holy servants of God such as the prophets and the apostles OBEYED and taught OBEDIENCE to God?


Who then causes another person to sin?


...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9


...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 john 2:3-6


...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6

I am done with you my friend. I have no ill will towards you, but debating with you, I am just like a dog chasing my tail. It is fruitless to further engage you in the this matter.

Good day my friend.

Blah blah blah....has nothing to do with Greek and or the simple truth that James and Paul address two different audiences with two different applications....end of story....!!!

You with these quotes violates an important concept. To properly understand a verse it must be placed in context with the surrounding verses plus in context with verses about the same issue. Need a systematic theology book for the last. The book is very large and costly. It goes issue by issue listing all of the verses associated with that issue along with some text about it.

You with these quotes violates an important concept. To properly understand a verse it must be placed in context with the surrounding verses plus in context with verses about the same issue. Need a systematic theology book for the last. The book is very large and costly. It goes issue by issue listing all of the verses associated with that issue along with some text about it.

Two Kinds of Wisdom
... Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18

Too many verse-ologists.

With his expertise in Biblical languages he understands the difficulty in putting Hebrew concepts into Greek which is a very bad fit. Are you fluent in ancient koine Greek and current Hebrew? He is.
PS: Current Hebrew is ancient Hebrew. They resurrected Hebrew and speak it in Israel as the official language.