Not By Works

Why not address the post and instead say this my friend?

No Argueless, everything fits the way we Interpret it. Your Theory only creates Contradictions. Bye Now.

Don't act like that wasn't the heaviest punch you've ever felt...😏

Maybe because he was adressing an accusation you made?

Keep studying bro, and if not, get into a good church, and I pray God answers Paul's prayer in you from Ephesians 1:15-23. Read it, not in a hurry and meditate on what Paul is saying and the LORD will give you understanding. Note how Paul says this in 2 Timothy 2:7.

I am sorry, But the responses in here are just amazing, Instad of sticking to what the bible says, People attack others like little children, “You interpret these verses wrong, your ignoring what the bibe says, Why do you not extrapolate this verse etc etc)

If people can not respond to others in a kind, non combative way, How do you expect people to respond to you that way.

I think it is time for some people to learn som respect (I say this because A few I have just met and can judge that person or his motives) and others who have been here long enough and continue to same nonsense over and over, to grow up!

I had to put Argueless on my permanent IGNORE LIST For:

1. For his refusal to answer my questions.
2. Purely FALSE ACCUSATIONS about OSAS, saying we Only reference Verses that support our Position.
3. CONTINUED False Doctrine,
Acts 20:30 (ESV)
30 and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

The questions he completely ignored were: What does BORN AGAIN mean to you, and HOW IS ONE BORN AGAIN?
I am convinced he HAS NO ANSWER, and he seems to not care, probably because he is only interested in proclaiming his False Doctrines. And the final straw was his repeated insults about OSAS, which I warned him about at least twice before. I have tried numerous times to explain OSAS, but he has been blinded by his teacher with False Doctrines, in my opinion.

I absolutely believe there are no contradictions in the BIBLE, when you interpret it CORRECTLY. Any time a person THINKS he found a contradictions, he has made an ERROR in Interpretation in at least one verse or BOTH.

Why do I believe in putting people on my IGNORE LIST?

The answer to that is in the Scriptures:

Titus 3:10 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.

That word in the GREEK is only used ONE TIME in the Bible. It is hairetikos, and it means "to Cause Division, or factious person".
I know that I give them MORE than two chances.

Had mine after my Fasting Blood Test, probably looked like this:

Hi Preacher, doesn't our collective angst here create the perfect storm for change. Your concern and my concern is for the proper "interpretation and application", of scripture. There is so much misapplied scripture going on around here that it creates 'to much theological divisions' among the brotherhood of believers.

I am seeing former Christian friendships appear to dissolve before my very eyes and that should not be.

Spiritual Wisdom: Ephesians1:15-23
15) For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16) I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers 17) and asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him.18) I ask that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you may know the hope of His calling, the riches of His glorious inheritance in the saints, 19) and the surpassing greatness of His power to us who believe. He displayed this power in the working of His mighty strength, 20) which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, 21) far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come. 22) And God put everything under His feet and made Him head over everything for the church, 23) which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Great Awakening

Merry Christmas Birthday Celebration to our Savior Jesus Christ

“Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men
on whom His favor rests!”

The Shepherds and the Angels
8) And there were shepherds residing in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks by night. 9) Just then, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10) But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid! For behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: 11)Today in the City of David a Savior has been born to you. He is Christ the Lord! 12) And this will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.”
13) And suddenly there appeared with the angel a great multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying:

14) “Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to men
on whom His favor rests!”

Agreed.

Here is the problem today: Very few allow the correction of Scripture, 2 Timothy 3:16, and very few accept the negative aspects of reproving, rebuking as prescribed by Paul in 2 Timothy 4:1-4.

Many won't allow correction due to the fact they have not grown in their understanding while accepting they've held to error. This is why 2 Timothy 3:16 was written, some and many believers hold to error concerning the Gospel, and many outright reject these truths to such an extent they pit Scripture against Scripture to support their errant views.

Unity is to be guarded, it is not manufactured nor created by compromise, putting aside truth &c; Ephesians 4:1-7. The foundation of unity is truth (One Lord, one faith, one baptism...as in the text) which is why we have disunity as not accepting correction creates pride, and pride will not allow some to receive any correction, even when Scripture is clear.

For the record my love and care for my differing brothers has not changed while I stand firm and unrelenting on the untruncated Gospel. Even though issues arise we are to still obey the call to offer correction and preach truth as mandated. Let's not be as some who construe this as unloving and not of God and I'm not suggesting you've ever done this dear brother.

My brother and I loved each other very much, and we also fought. But we'd protect one another in a heartbeat.

What do you suggest? Im talking about the "balance to be struck between both views" meaning arminians and calvinists I guess?

How do we reconcile these? I'd be very interested to know.

There is no "balance" between electing grace and choosing one's own self into heaven. Stop looking for balance and instead accept the truths of Scripture that are so plain and clear.

15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

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7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
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thanks for callin me bro

it put a smile on my face


I have no teachings to push, but I'd love to talk about God and His Word with you

we don't even need to bring up the word calvin again

I promise to not use any books other than the bible 😆
You were the one who told me it's ok to listen to other members of the body in Christ (twice now)

and even if it was a rough one
I appreciate the first time as much as the second

I am not really well versed on the history of different doctrine and won't rely on them to examine my heart and Gods word while relying on Him for truth... buuuuut I am no longer opposed to having a nice conversation with someone who I may disagree with what I've seen and take that back to Gods feet in prayer if I sense any truth in it

that being said, I do not give myself any credit for choosing Jesus

I heard
and I believed

and I'm grateful for that... not proud... it was not me... it was Him

what drove me in the start was fear <- because i believed

now it is love <- because i believe

and i do not take credit for that faith... as if i needed to choose "ya ok now i decide to believe"....


Well if not understanding how the word all is being used in context is causing all those things... then we all ought to make sure when we see it in scripture we know how its being used.....

also I believe God chose me because He loves me... and without that love being first made known to me I would have never loved Him...(even if it was made known to me, I needed Him to give me a heart which could love Him)


who has promoted this idea?

Hi Budman, please show proof that Calvinism teaches predestination to hell
and that it teaches God will send children to hell, I don't see it.

Your choice of graphics to explain your view of Calvinism is in poor taste don't you think.

If a person is not regenerated, and not given the opportunity to have the ability to be saved, Then by not chosing them to heaven, they are in fact. Chosen or predestined to hell.

Unlike those who believe God elects those who through his foreknowledge, do the will of God (see and believe) according to their free will. Those who end up in hell were offered the same gift, they chose to reject it,, They destined themselves to hell.

God is all knowing, this includes knowing not only every action and word but the cause for them... not only to us believers but even those who reject our awesome Lord and savior Jesus Christ

He knew our grandchildrens last words before adam was created....

His knowledge in this does not exclude us from having free will, we just can not see the outcome as He can....

His hand is outstreched to all...even though who He knows will reject Him

and they will have no excuse before Him


Who here would believe any of this is untrue? (and why please)

whoops made a typo

(fixed it in the reply)