were there dinosaurs before God created Earth?
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You'll get conflicting answers on this.
My view, based on Genesis and a few other passages, along with scientific sources not biased in favour of evolution, is that God created both the heavens and the earth (time, space, and matter) in six literal days. Therefore, the dinosaurs would have been created on day 6. Most would have perished in the flood. A worldwide flood a few thousand years ago can account for most fossils, along with many geological features evident on the landscape.
If you are ever in Alberta, make a point of visiting the Tyrrell Museum in Drumheller. The fossil collection there is vast and impressive.
My view, based on Genesis and a few other passages, along with scientific sources not biased in favour of evolution, is that God created both the heavens and the earth (time, space, and matter) in six literal days. Therefore, the dinosaurs would have been created on day 6. Most would have perished in the flood. A worldwide flood a few thousand years ago can account for most fossils, along with many geological features evident on the landscape.
If you are ever in Alberta, make a point of visiting the Tyrrell Museum in Drumheller. The fossil collection there is vast and impressive.
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TThe serpent was a type of dinosaur but lost its legs in the fall. The great flood killed most of them off but some still survived as back in those days dinosaurs were called dragons. There are several references to dragons in the Bible...
Dinosaur just means terrible lizard. When the Bible talks about giants, it could be talking about men, or it could be dinosaurs and other animals that were giant.
Dinosaur just means terrible lizard. When the Bible talks about giants, it could be talking about men, or it could be dinosaurs and other animals that were giant.
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If you read the Torah, Genesis (Bereishit) 1:1 it's interpreted that earth is complete with life. Then in verse 2, the world is submerged under water and there is no life.
Let's for a moment pretend this is accurate and Genesis 1:1 actually had pre-adomite/historic humans and dinosaurs. And by verse 2 this life is now dead and the earth is under water and chaotic.
Job has an interesting verse in it, and many claim Job to be older than the first 5 books of the Bible:
Job 26:5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.
I like this verse because I relate it to, if Genesis 1:1 had living dinosaurs and humans, and verse 2 now has the face of the earth under water; if you understand the science behind water damage, you understand that fossils will appear to be much much older than they truthfully are.
Science insists that dinosaurs fossils are millions of years old. But if a dinosaur fossil spent 10,000 years under water, it would be impossible to accurately date it, thus allowing science to claim it's as old as they are claiming. And the water damage follows Job 26:5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof...to a T!
But, Noah's water was not covering the earth for 10,000 years.
However though, If from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 1:2 was 10,000 years, that would be enough time to cause any fossil to appear literally 100 times to 1,000 times older than they really are.
Let's for a moment pretend this is accurate and Genesis 1:1 actually had pre-adomite/historic humans and dinosaurs. And by verse 2 this life is now dead and the earth is under water and chaotic.
Job has an interesting verse in it, and many claim Job to be older than the first 5 books of the Bible:
Job 26:5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof.
I like this verse because I relate it to, if Genesis 1:1 had living dinosaurs and humans, and verse 2 now has the face of the earth under water; if you understand the science behind water damage, you understand that fossils will appear to be much much older than they truthfully are.
Science insists that dinosaurs fossils are millions of years old. But if a dinosaur fossil spent 10,000 years under water, it would be impossible to accurately date it, thus allowing science to claim it's as old as they are claiming. And the water damage follows Job 26:5 Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof...to a T!
But, Noah's water was not covering the earth for 10,000 years.
However though, If from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 1:2 was 10,000 years, that would be enough time to cause any fossil to appear literally 100 times to 1,000 times older than they really are.
To any who are capable of being of following a logic trail, look at the dinaaur evidence discovered and you will find enormous gaps in the contrived history of them. Where are the evolved from reptile birds that are somewhere in betweeen scally and feathered.
Even the so-called evolution of man kind is totally lackin in a continuous trail from the ape to man evolution. Where are the remains of the tribes that were part ape and part homo sapien? How is it the scientific world will rely on one missing link? Talk about your science fiction.
History is defined as the account of civilizations since the advent of the written word, that is a written account of man. We have one Source that reveals all, unfortunatey for many, they need faith to believe in what they do not see in spite of their believing in fairy tales about evolution just because scientists have made a circle and called it infinity.
Even the so-called evolution of man kind is totally lackin in a continuous trail from the ape to man evolution. Where are the remains of the tribes that were part ape and part homo sapien? How is it the scientific world will rely on one missing link? Talk about your science fiction.
History is defined as the account of civilizations since the advent of the written word, that is a written account of man. We have one Source that reveals all, unfortunatey for many, they need faith to believe in what they do not see in spite of their believing in fairy tales about evolution just because scientists have made a circle and called it infinity.
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Hahaha yep,
Science hates the argument of randomness vs inherited traits and selective mutism. What I find hilarious, for the past 175 years using the microscope, observing literally millions of single cell species, not one has divided and mutated into a multi-celled species. And the whole basis of "evolution," is based off the idea of random single cell dividing to become a new multi-cell species. I always suggest, if evolution is correct, and we know that none of the single cell species we are observing under the microscope are the same age, one of them has to be close to that evolving stage you claim happens.
And still to this very moment, not one test sample has resulted in the claim made by those who believe in evolution.
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People talk about Dinosaurs but there are thousands of fossil creatures that are not Dinosaurs some are tiny such as insects and crustaceans a whole Eco system supported them that was not the same as ours today. I heard recently that there is a joint project
underway between UK and US institutions that is intended to place millions of fossils on the internet so that researchers can have
access to them.
underway between UK and US institutions that is intended to place millions of fossils on the internet so that researchers can have
access to them.
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Gen 1: 24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
This is when dinosours were created, the catastrophic global flood brought about their demise
This is when dinosours were created, the catastrophic global flood brought about their demise
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● Rom 5:12-14 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death
through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- for
before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into
account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of
Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a
command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
The Greek word for "world" in that passage is kosmos (kos'-mos); an
ambiguous word that sometimes refers to the entire universe with all of its
forms of life, matter, and energy; but much of the time it's speaking of only
the human sphere; viz: death came to all men rather than death to all life.
● Gen 2:15-17 . .The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden
of Eden, to till it and tend it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying:
Of every tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of
knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of
it, you shall die.
The first thing to point out is that in order for the threat to resonate in
Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as Adam understood death in
his own day rather than death as modern Sunday school classes construe it
in their day. In other words: Adam's concept of death was primitive, i.e.
natural rather spiritual.
As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God
created immune to death by natural causes just so long as he included fruit
from the tree of life in his diet. The animal kingdom was given nothing like
it.
That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common
all around Adam by means of plants, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it
wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a
moment and define death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a
common occurrence in his everyday life.
NOTE: Gen 2:15-17 is a favorite among critics because Adam didn't drop
dead the instant he tasted the forbidden fruit. In point of fact, he continued
to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his
son Seth (Gen 5:4). So; is there a reasonable explanation for this apparent
discrepancy?
Well; the explanation is found in the wording of the threat: God said "in the
day" rather than the very day. In other words; the day of Adam's death
began the moment he tasted the forbidden fruit and it was only a matter of
time after that before his body gave out and he passed away.
In point of fact everybody's day of death began at the same time as Adam's
and we've all been passing away ever since: some at birth, some in infancy,
some in childhood, some in adulthood because Adam's day of death isn't
over yet.
● 1Cor 15:26 . .The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
● Rev 21:4 . .There shall be no more death
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● Rom 5:12-14 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death
through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-- for
before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into
account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of
Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a
command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
The Greek word for "world" in that passage is kosmos (kos'-mos); an
ambiguous word that sometimes refers to the entire universe with all of its
forms of life, matter, and energy; but much of the time it's speaking of only
the human sphere; viz: death came to all men rather than death to all life.
● Gen 2:15-17 . .The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden
of Eden, to till it and tend it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying:
Of every tree of the garden you are free to eat; but as for the tree of
knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat of it; for in the day you eat of
it, you shall die.
The first thing to point out is that in order for the threat to resonate in
Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as Adam understood death in
his own day rather than death as modern Sunday school classes construe it
in their day. In other words: Adam's concept of death was primitive, i.e.
natural rather spiritual.
As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God
created immune to death by natural causes just so long as he included fruit
from the tree of life in his diet. The animal kingdom was given nothing like
it.
That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common
all around Adam by means of plants, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it
wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a
moment and define death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a
common occurrence in his everyday life.
NOTE: Gen 2:15-17 is a favorite among critics because Adam didn't drop
dead the instant he tasted the forbidden fruit. In point of fact, he continued
to live outside the garden of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his
son Seth (Gen 5:4). So; is there a reasonable explanation for this apparent
discrepancy?
Well; the explanation is found in the wording of the threat: God said "in the
day" rather than the very day. In other words; the day of Adam's death
began the moment he tasted the forbidden fruit and it was only a matter of
time after that before his body gave out and he passed away.
In point of fact everybody's day of death began at the same time as Adam's
and we've all been passing away ever since: some at birth, some in infancy,
some in childhood, some in adulthood because Adam's day of death isn't
over yet.
● 1Cor 15:26 . .The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
● Rev 21:4 . .There shall be no more death
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● Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.
When you think about it; a strict chronology of evening and morning doesn't
define day, it defines overnight; viz: darkness. In order to obtain a full 24
hour day, you'd have to define creation's first Day as a day and a night
rather than an evening and a morning.
Well; thus far Genesis defines Day as a time of light rather than a 24-hour
amalgam of light and dark; plus there was no Sun to cause physical
evenings and mornings till creation's fourth Day so we have to come at this
issue from another angle apart from physical properties.
According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.
However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent epochs rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:
● Gen 2:4 . .These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when
they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.
Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.
NOTE: Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than
enemies-- two different languages telling the same story. He believed that
science and religion compliment each other-- science answers questions that
religion doesn't bother to answer, and religion answers questions that
science cannot answer.
For example: theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking understood pretty well
how the universe works; but could never scientifically explain why it should
exist at all. Well the only possible answer to the "why" is found in intelligent
design; which is a religious explanation rather than scientific.
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● Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.
When you think about it; a strict chronology of evening and morning doesn't
define day, it defines overnight; viz: darkness. In order to obtain a full 24
hour day, you'd have to define creation's first Day as a day and a night
rather than an evening and a morning.
Well; thus far Genesis defines Day as a time of light rather than a 24-hour
amalgam of light and dark; plus there was no Sun to cause physical
evenings and mornings till creation's fourth Day so we have to come at this
issue from another angle apart from physical properties.
According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all terra critters on the
sixth Day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other Day did God
create beasts but the sixth.
However; the sciences of geology and paleontology, in combination with
radiometric dating, strongly suggest that dinosaurs preceded humans by
several million years. So then, in my estimation, the Days of creation should
be taken to represent epochs rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:
● Gen 2:4 . .These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when
they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six Days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six Days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.
Anyway; this "day" thing has been a stone in the shoe for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the Days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so Bible students end up
stumped when trying to figure out how to cope with the 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.
NOTE: Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than
enemies-- two different languages telling the same story. He believed that
science and religion compliment each other-- science answers questions that
religion doesn't bother to answer, and religion answers questions that
science cannot answer.
For example: theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking understood pretty well
how the universe works; but could never scientifically explain why it should
exist at all. Well the only possible answer to the "why" is found in intelligent
design; which is a religious explanation rather than scientific.
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THE OLD EARTH (GAP) THEORY
To better understand what the Bible really says, about the age of the earth, we must critically inspect the translation accuracy of our modern Bibles. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: And there was light” (Genesis 1:1-3). The Hebrew word hâyâh translated to the first "was" in Genesis 1:2, can just as easily mean "became." Verse one is a general statement that depicts the creation: A perfect and complete work at the very time it was done. God would not create an uneven, disorderly world.
In verse two, we could say that, somehow, the earth "became" without form and void. Translated from the Hebrew, are the words for "without form" (tôhûw) and "void" (bôhûw). In their original tongue, both these words basically mean the same thing: Empty or desolate. Enter the "gap theory," which states: There could have been multiple thousands of years between the time "in the beginning," when God did the creating in Genesis 1:1; and Genesis 1:2, when the earth was (or became) empty and desolate. In essence then, the creation depicted in Genesis chapter 1, after verse 1, constitutes a re-creation. This is also called the “old earth” doctrine.
I believe in the gap theory, as it aligns with the true picture given us in other places in scripture. Satan had already fallen by the time he got to the Garden of Eden (see Ezekiel 28:12-16).
Also consider the following:
“And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, that thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, how hath the oppressor ceased! The golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: They break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: It stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, art thou also become weak as we? Art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: The worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: The seed of evildoers shall never be renowned” (Isaiah 14:3-20).
This Lucifer, turned evil, can be none other than Satan. God was, and still is, casting Satan out of His government. The earth became desolate through gross mismanagement. God had obviously given Satan charge over all the earth, but the devil's rebellious ways brought about a major catastrophe that made an absolute mess of the planet.
God then re-created the world and removed Satan from his rulership and placed man in his stead. “And God blessed them [mankind], and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: And have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth” (Genesis 1:28).
The devil still rules the world system, but he now does it in an indirect way——by influencing man. God had given us the history of the world, as recorded in Genesis, only from the time that man entered into the picture. What had taken place on the earth, before this time, is not fully revealed nor relevant to what God is doing with mankind. Once resurrected and immortal we will help God rule all the planets. He has a vast universe to manage. There are no limits on tomorrow.
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