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Personally, I do not believe the end of Mark 16 is authentic.....like the guy quoted above.....there is evidence that is solid and credible that it has been added by someone after the fact...........and the truth....the ONLY people I have seen argue it's validity are those which still peddle the gifts and those which peddle baptismal regeneration.......but hey.........religion is hard to over come..............Jesus said something about 2 fold the child of........
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Fully agree...........other than Paul getting zapped by the snake on the island which is a ONE off event......I do not recall any other events such as Paul's experience.....
I do remember a guy on the news a month or so ago getting nailed by a rattle snake in his "CHURCH" service.......he died.....
I do remember a guy on the news a month or so ago getting nailed by a rattle snake in his "CHURCH" service.......he died.....
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Lemme see how successful I can be in "un-spinning" your yarn here EG.
I'll start out by saying, it would almost be better, for one in merely BELIEVING in Jesus, and be saved, then it would be for one, especially us gentiles, being the "wild grape vine" that we are, in our "repenting", and then being "baptized!"
The reason being? Well? Peter wasn't lying, concerning "receiving" the "Gift of the Holy Spirit", AFTER one's Baptism. Because, this does truly take place.
What also takes place? Almost IMMEDIATELY afterwards? To a greater, or lesser extent, in ALL who are baptized? One could say "by default", (beings the wild grape vines we are. Not excluding myself either), we commence in GRIEVING the Holy Spirit.
It is "taught" us that "Love covers a MULTITUDE of sin!" This also is true!
Love, being the "greater fruit of the Spirit?" Is not the ONLY "fruit of the Spirit!"
Ephesians 4
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
So, what is "seen" by you as "The other teaches grace theough faith plus works?" Are efforts OF "faith", IN "works", "BY GRACE", in one's "UNGRIEVING" "the Holy Spirit of God!" As God is very slow to anger! For those who earnestly seek AFTER Him!
This includes, the "seeking after" the "WHERE" in one's OWN heart, mind, soul spirit, and flesh, "these grieving's" have occurred!
If this were NOT the case? We would ALL be performing MIRACLES, of EVERY SORT!
Would we not?
Am I "getting through" to ya yet?
You need to be a hyper-literalist to get so worked up over this. All four gospels have variations within the text and people
go though huge lengths to justify them. The truth is that God led the writers to set out the Gospels in their own words
If he wanted there to be one perfect version he would have created one not four. I believe that Marks original ends with the
women at the tomb.
The gospels were written down for use in early Christian worship. They are arranged to celebrate the Jewish liturgical year both to supplement the weekly Torah readings and the Festivals. Marks gospel was the first to be written. It covers the festivals from Rosh Hashanah to Passover. Matthew expanded Marks Gospel to include the birth story and Pentecost he also included the gathering of the Omar to cover details surrounding Christs resurrection and ascension not found in Mark Luke did the same but used Marks content differently from Matthew. Both added their own unique stories to Marks account which they both followed at times word for word.
The Torah readings both start and end in the Month of Tishrei which falls in September/October on our Calendar.
Johns Gospel also follows the Festivals but is not dependent on Marks account. It concentrates on Christs Messiahship and contains
passages of his conversations with his Disciples that are not found in the other three gospels
go though huge lengths to justify them. The truth is that God led the writers to set out the Gospels in their own words
If he wanted there to be one perfect version he would have created one not four. I believe that Marks original ends with the
women at the tomb.
The gospels were written down for use in early Christian worship. They are arranged to celebrate the Jewish liturgical year both to supplement the weekly Torah readings and the Festivals. Marks gospel was the first to be written. It covers the festivals from Rosh Hashanah to Passover. Matthew expanded Marks Gospel to include the birth story and Pentecost he also included the gathering of the Omar to cover details surrounding Christs resurrection and ascension not found in Mark Luke did the same but used Marks content differently from Matthew. Both added their own unique stories to Marks account which they both followed at times word for word.
The Torah readings both start and end in the Month of Tishrei which falls in September/October on our Calendar.
Johns Gospel also follows the Festivals but is not dependent on Marks account. It concentrates on Christs Messiahship and contains
passages of his conversations with his Disciples that are not found in the other three gospels
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What are the errors of the words? I am curious.
9 Jesus rose from death early on the first day of the week. He appeared first to Mary Magdalene. One time in the past Jesus had forced seven demons out of Mary. 10 After Mary saw Jesus, she went and told his followers. They were very sad and were crying. 11 But Mary told them that Jesus was alive. She said that she had seen Jesus, but they did not believe her.
12 Later, Jesus appeared to two followers while they were walking in the country. But Jesus did not look the same as before he was killed. 13 These followers went back to the other followers and told them what happened. Again, the followers did not believe them.
14 Later, Jesus appeared to the eleven followers while they were eating. He criticized them because they had so little faith. They were stubborn and refused to believe the people who said Jesus had risen from death.
15 He said to them, “Go everywhere in the world. Tell the Good News to everyone. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. But those who do not believe will be judged guilty. 17 And the people who believe will be able to do these things as proof: They will use my name to force demons out of people. They will speak in languages they never learned. 18 If they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be hurt. They will lay their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19 After the Lord Jesus said these things to his followers, he was carried up into heaven. There, Jesus sat at the right side of God. 20 The followers went everywhere in the world telling people the Good News, and the Lord helped them. By giving them power to do miracles the Lord proved that their message was true.
I do not know of anyone who purposely drink poison.
9 Jesus rose from death early on the first day of the week. He appeared first to Mary Magdalene. One time in the past Jesus had forced seven demons out of Mary. 10 After Mary saw Jesus, she went and told his followers. They were very sad and were crying. 11 But Mary told them that Jesus was alive. She said that she had seen Jesus, but they did not believe her.
12 Later, Jesus appeared to two followers while they were walking in the country. But Jesus did not look the same as before he was killed. 13 These followers went back to the other followers and told them what happened. Again, the followers did not believe them.
14 Later, Jesus appeared to the eleven followers while they were eating. He criticized them because they had so little faith. They were stubborn and refused to believe the people who said Jesus had risen from death.
15 He said to them, “Go everywhere in the world. Tell the Good News to everyone. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved. But those who do not believe will be judged guilty. 17 And the people who believe will be able to do these things as proof: They will use my name to force demons out of people. They will speak in languages they never learned. 18 If they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be hurt. They will lay their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19 After the Lord Jesus said these things to his followers, he was carried up into heaven. There, Jesus sat at the right side of God. 20 The followers went everywhere in the world telling people the Good News, and the Lord helped them. By giving them power to do miracles the Lord proved that their message was true.
I do not know of anyone who purposely drink poison.
"And is baptized (kai baptisqei). The omission of baptized with "disbelieveth" would seem to show that Jesus does not make baptism essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on disbelief, not on baptism. So salvation rests on belief. Baptism is merely the picture of the new life not the means of securing it. So serious a sacramental doctrine would need stronger support anyhow than this disputed portion of Mark. "https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/mark/mark-16-16.html
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Lemme see how successful I can be in "un-spinning" your yarn here EG.
I'll start out by saying, it would almost be better, for one in merely BELIEVING in Jesus, and be saved, then it would be for one, especially us gentiles, being the "wild grape vine" that we are, in our "repenting", and then being "baptized!"
The reason being? Well? Peter wasn't lying, concerning "receiving" the "Gift of the Holy Spirit", AFTER one's Baptism. Because, this does truly take place.
What also takes place? Almost IMMEDIATELY afterwards? To a greater, or lesser extent, in ALL who are baptized? One could say "by default", (beings the wild grape vines we are. Not excluding myself either), we commence in GRIEVING the Holy Spirit.
It is "taught" us that "Love covers a MULTITUDE of sin!" This also is true!
Love, being the "greater fruit of the Spirit?" Is not the ONLY "fruit of the Spirit!"
Ephesians 4
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
So, what is "seen" by you as "The other teaches grace theough faith plus works?" Are efforts OF "faith", IN "works", "BY GRACE", in one's "UNGRIEVING" "the Holy Spirit of God!" As God is very slow to anger! For those who earnestly seek AFTER Him!
This includes, the "seeking after" the "WHERE" in one's OWN heart, mind, soul spirit, and flesh, "these grieving's" have occurred!
If this were NOT the case? We would ALL be performing MIRACLES, of EVERY SORT!
Would we not?
Am I "getting through" to ya yet?
The reason being? Well? Peter wasn't lying, concerning "receiving" the "Gift of the Holy Spirit", AFTER one's Baptism. Because, this does truly take place.
What also takes place? Almost IMMEDIATELY afterwards? To a greater, or lesser extent, in ALL who are baptized? One could say "by default", (beings the wild grape vines we are. Not excluding myself either), we commence in GRIEVING the Holy Spirit.
It is "taught" us that "Love covers a MULTITUDE of sin!" This also is true!
Love, being the "greater fruit of the Spirit?" Is not the ONLY "fruit of the Spirit!"
Ephesians 4
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
So, what is "seen" by you as "The other teaches grace theough faith plus works?" Are efforts OF "faith", IN "works", "BY GRACE", in one's "UNGRIEVING" "the Holy Spirit of God!" As God is very slow to anger! For those who earnestly seek AFTER Him!
This includes, the "seeking after" the "WHERE" in one's OWN heart, mind, soul spirit, and flesh, "these grieving's" have occurred!
If this were NOT the case? We would ALL be performing MIRACLES, of EVERY SORT!
Would we not?
Am I "getting through" to ya yet?
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since, there are four endings to Mark, the simple idea of it being rotted away or thorn off the end of scroll makes sense -- later having them compiled to replace it makes the most sense.
Why not question it? The Resurrection is well attested in the other Gospels and in the Letters. If that text is not genuine and was removed, we would not lose anything.
Why not question it? The Resurrection is well attested in the other Gospels and in the Letters. If that text is not genuine and was removed, we would not lose anything.
Sorry I am slow.
Mark 16:9_20 ??????
Four endings?
I would think you could lose out by making to no effect the warning not to add or subtract from the perfect seeing the possibility of a new revelation is sealed with seven seals to the end of time.
Why not if it is it you are saying... just remove the whole book of Mark if you think each integral part is not needed to make it perfect?
Mark 16:9_20 ??????
Four endings?
I would think you could lose out by making to no effect the warning not to add or subtract from the perfect seeing the possibility of a new revelation is sealed with seven seals to the end of time.
Why not if it is it you are saying... just remove the whole book of Mark if you think each integral part is not needed to make it perfect?
It does not say, "those who do not get baptized with water" .Its the unseen baptism that removes guilt .Those who do not have the born again Spirit of Christ are already judged because they do not have it and therefore cannot believe in one not seen. .
John 3:18 He that believeth on "him" is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:18 He that believeth on "him" is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.