Following Paul To Follow Christ

Honestly think about what you just said in light of the truth of OTHERS seeing our GOOD works and GLORIFYING our Father which is in heaven....and then answer........

FAITH alone justifies before GOD

The results of FAITH--->WORKS justifies our claim of FAITH before MEN and POINTS MEN TO GOD and GIVES GLORY to GOD......why is it so hard for you and others to grasp that TRUTH

I’ve done many good things I guess, but never had a lost person glorify God because of it.

Besides, I’m justified by the faith of Christ. No amount of works justifies me before God or man.

The question James is answering is not will works follow true faith, but can faith save him? James 2:14

James 2:24 You see then, by works a man is justified and not by faith only.

Nope....can THAT faith save him........same problem the Jews have to this day....a belief in GOD but NO saving faith

Paul in Romans teaches a man is justified before GOD by faith without the deeds/works of the law attached
James in James teaches the above faith that justifies before God can be SEEN by MEN based upon our works/deeds

End of story

End of Story and Amen too!!!

I’ll ask you as well, are you concerned with being justified before men? Are they your judge? Do you make it a point to do good where others can see?

I completely understand your concern. James is not saying this so that we will judge each other, he is writing this so that we will care for each other, and others will believe, people cannot see the Spirit within we need to externalize out internal reality.

It is sad that the Lordship Salvationists have completely made James about proving your faith as in others get to judge and decide.

I am convinced that is not what James wanted, he wanted the Jews to have a profitable life, meaningful life here on the earth for the benefit of others and that even Abraham and Rahab demonstrated their faith by their works.

Remember these Jews were under the law so they are not understanding their new position in Christ.

The letter is not comparing false and genuine faith, that is adding to the text.

Hello, brother Journeyman!

But fact is that there are some disagreements between the teachings of the earthly Jesus and the Risen One. The earthly Jesus preached obedience to the law of Moses, whereas Paul (the risen Jesus' spokesman) said we are not under the law.

Jesus told the man cured from leprosy to present himself to the priest and perform sacrifices (Paul would never say that).

Jesus said it is impossible for a rich person to enter heaven (it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle = impossible), whereas Paul said he could live in want or in plenty.

According to the earthly Jesus very few will be saved. What did Paul say about that?

In my city there are "conflicting" rules regarding traffic lights: One says you must stop at red lights and another says that, between sunset and sunrise, you may go provided there is no crossing traffic.

The same happens in the New Testament: There are rules that apply to the Jews before the cross and rules that apply to both Jews and Gentiles after the cross, in the New Covenant.

and when did Jesus fulfill the Law?

This made me think. It's like when we belong to a certain church, we submit to the leadership and its vision because we trust that they are following Jesus.

Paul says yes. No works required before or after. All that’s required is believing the gospel of Christ.

You are aware that Yeshua was full of both the Father (as He eloquently explains in John) and of the Holy Spirit (as He points out this is His power source to cast out Demons, to heal, to perform miracles in Matthew 12)...meaning He was the Christ well before He ever resurrected?

Before He journeyed after instructing His Disciples that He would be caught, killed, and rise again...Peter answered His question to WHOM they thought He was. Peter claimed, Yeshua was the Messiah!! This means the Christ, or Anointed One. To be Anointed, meant He was full of the Father and the Holy Spirit. This is why it is written, that within Him was the full GodHead!!

So, to emphasize there is a difference in what He spoke about before/after His Death-Burial-Resurrection makes no sense. You would be ignoring His message concerning the Tribulation like never seen before. Where He expounds that the Elect will indeed go through the Tribulation and the days will be shortened in those times, when no man can bare such suffering for the Elect's sake. That immediately after the Tribulation ends, the sun darkens and the moon turns to blood. This is when the Elect is charged to keep close watch for the sign of lightning that splits the skies from the East to the West. This is the Second Coming and the angels will be sent to gather the remaining Elect.

His Parables explain how the Father views us even when we fall and turn away.

His message on Faith is essential to our every day walk. We learned the true essence of Communion and why we should observe it. We see examples of how to face adversity, and how we can properly see miracles, victory, and signs by our own walk in Him through His power. The list is endless to what we would be throwing away if we did as you suggest.

And if this is how you proclaimed to those who felt you were a false teacher-prophet-etc, I have no doubts to the reasoning behind why someone with the knowledge of God's Word would label you as such!!

What non pauline only fellowships preach saved by works?
We all know baptism is not an issue.
So other than the baptism non issue component,give a few examples. There must be hundreds for the amount of outrage at the non pauline books.

Paul did the same thing by taking a vow (Act.21:20-26). He said,

to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win the Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law 1Cor.9:20

Marcelo said: Jesus said it is impossible for a rich person to enter heaven (it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle = impossible), whereas Paul said he could live in want or in plenty.

Jesus meant for those who trust in wealth (Mk.10:24). But it's possible with God (Mk.10:27). How? Rich people who trust God know that what they have really belongs to God. They're "poor on spirit" (Mt.5:3). They also share for the same reason and if they lost their wealth, they'd bless God just the same.

Marcelo said: According to the earthly Jesus very few will be saved. What did Paul say about that?

I don't know what statement of Pauls you're referring to.

Yeshua fulfilled the Law by not committing a single a sin and proving that a sinless life can be achieved.

They have a skewed starting place.
They must assume the bible was not written by God to his people.
That is the incubater to birth all their beliefs.
Hence we have the endless " ok who was the audience" to whom is that chapter written"
"That was ONLY to the jews"

Thus they see an inferior pre resurrection Jesus ,not able to understand the gospel.