Can I change reality with my words?

We can certainly leave the judging of peoples' ministries to God. But that is not the same as proving all things and holding fast to that which is good.

WOF false teachings are not limited to just the name it and claim it aspect. They have many other false doctrines which they blatantly preach and mislead people. Simply promoting the idea that tithing will bring material rewards is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. There is nothing in the New Testament to support this. But there are other false teachings which are very harmful also.

Again, I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU. I WAS TALKING TO THE OP! THE PROVERBS VERSE WAS IN THE OP!

All you have done here, is show you have poor reading skills, did not read my post, and rather jumped the gun, about who I was talking to. And you still won't let go of it, go back and read my post, and see I never even saw your first post, before I posted.

I was going to go answer your first post, with your nonsense Word Faith garbage and complete lack of good knowledge of Bible interpretation. But, since you can't even get it straight that I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU, probably I'll just comment to others, and not bother with you. I never used caps lock, but your nonsense and lack of reading or listening skills, have made me realize it is time for you to go bye-bye on my feed.

You got the causality wrong. We don't give in order to be rich.

Jesus Christ has already made us rich thru the divine exchange, and we give out of that revelation.

Anyway, there are passages in the Bible that talks about sowing and reaping, 2 Cor 9:6 is perhaps the more relevant one, for cheerful giving. Its up to each Christian to decide for himself whether or not he wants to take that by faith.

My take:

Looking back on my years....40.....I remember responding to a person or situation that in the act of speaking, I felt myself thinking, Did I just speak that?.....It didn't make sense at the time but, looking back, it could be apiece of your life puzzle that eventually fits in due season.

Timing and waiting are the most difficult to live by but, unfortunately they are critical in achieving dreams.

Like Phil Collins knew: "You can't hurry love, you just have to wait!"

Also: Go ahead and do the car thing and then listen to your inner voice that doesn't use words.....Does it, MAKE SENSE?....Do you totally believe your words to be 100% true? You answer is within you.

If you and I were having a conversation and during it I responded to something you said with "that could move mountains", what do you think I would mean by that?

God tells us how to manage our minds, and that management truly does move mountains. Not the mountains made of rock and soil, but powerful great mountains.

Jn 16:23-24 'Until now you have asked for nothing in my Name, ask and ye shall receive so that your joy may b made full....Truly truly I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in my name, He will give it to you'. Also, Lk 11:3 says if we being evil want to give good GIFTS to your children, how much more good GIFTS will your Father in Heaven give to you'.

u cant say to the mountain jump and it will do it, Jesus was saying believe in the possibilities with God and if u believe u can move a mountain one day u will

I actually did that at a car dealership, and the car immediately became mine, right after I wrote them a sizable check for it.

I believe Jesus was speaking figuratively in those verses in Mark 11, mountains in the bible are generally metaphorical for nations. In that same chapter, Jesus overthrew the tables in the temple and cursed the fig tree for not yielding fruit. The fig tree also has a symbolic meaning, representing the House of Judah. Peter then pointed out that the fig tree Jesus had previously cursed had withered, and that's when Jesus said in verse 23 that faith can move a mountain (nation). Remember the parable of the fig tree;

"A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him: let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it and dung it. And if it shall bear fruit, well and if not then after that thou shalt cut it down." (Luke 13:6-9)

The parable was preceded by his words: "Except ye repent ye shall likewise perish". The owner of the vineyard is the God of Israel (Isa 5:7). The dresser is the Messiah (3 years). It seems that the cursing of the fig tree is as if it is the finishing of the unfinished parable.

So Christ wasn't literally talking about casting a mountain into the sea, but preparing his disciples to carry the gospel to every nation.
"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that place, as a testimony against them. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.… " (Matthew 10:14&15).

"Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children." (Luke 23:28)

So the message was spiritual, the fig tree didn't bear fruit because it was "out of season". So it (Israel) would be a nation (mountain) cast into the sea (sea representing people of the world). And it would remain so until the end times, which would be marked by the fig tree (Israel) being re-established. "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh" (Matthew 24:32)

Why do you say I got it wrong when I am pointing out the error of those promoting this nonsense?

Did you even read my post?

One way to change reality through your words is to cuss out your boss!

MOST LIKELY it will change reality as you know it.

I dont suggest trying it though!

Yeah, I get the context of your answer and statements, but the issue I brought up still essentially the same. You are saying that your interpretation came from "divine guidance". If it did (come from divine guidance), then why not just give the interpretation and let its validity stand on its own?

Hey, I am not trying to say who was right or wrong in the discussion; that is not the issue here. I just do not like to see debates where one or both sides are claiming that "God told me so".

God does speak to us today and I am a strong believer in hearing the voice of the Lord, but I will not use the argument "God told me" or "this interpretation is from God" to bolster my argument.

Wow! Now there is honesty and realness for all the world to see!

Deade, my respect for you went up ten notches . . .

If you lived beside me, I would ask if I can come over for coffee and learn about life from you . . . !!!!!!!!

Actually, its a house that I want in a good neighbourhood, with neighbours who mind their own business.

Is that a "yes" to my question?

The term Word of faith always brings contentions between the members of His body. Can two walk together unless they be agreed?

Not easily but it should be done if both sides remembered who we are a part of.

So, most here know where I stand on this. I turn the phrase around because it reveals the truth of the matter. Faith in the Word. The Word is a person who spoke many things possible if we believe in Who He is, and did He speak truth? Again, truth is a person also. And He gave us the way for all things. Again....😀

So what I will add here in this thread....Heidi Baker proved this. She had nothing to feed her little ones in a part of Africa where she started an orphanage. But, prayer in faith brought miracles.

Speaking His promises is what word of faith teaches. The devil has brought confusion about this by twisting the truth of some whose hearts are pure in this, but there may be others who only think of gain.
What I know from experience is that God is our Father and He gives good gifts. We have not if we ask nothing. Poverty doesn't prove anything.



It's His business to sort it out. Not ours.

This is amazing, This is exactly what I feel and see right now (in my personal life). He is emboldening me to testify these EXACT things to anyone I speak with for any amount of time. Just it's what's on my heart, and what comes out of my mouth. It was the same way in the flesh, before I was saved and at my lowest point, and all that was on my heart was how much I hated losing the use of my arm, and that was all that was coming out of my mouth. Now He has set a burning fire inside me these are the things I find myself proclaiming these things about, "now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ", praise Jesus name. This is the first time I've read this part with my current outlook, and just wow. I truly feel Gods power is being unleashed right in front of me, and I know the popular narrative is "the world is going to hell in a hand basket", but I believe all enemies are going under His feet, made a footstool. I know man's evil is more visible now, it's more transparent, and the ONLY thing that can change it is His grace, and He calls ALL to "come". The reason I'm so "optimistic", is not because of what I hear on the news, it's because of the power He shows me right in front of my face, the people that He reaches through me, it's till even kind of hard to say because it just so amazing and my name doesn't even belong near His glory, but I have to testify of this truth. I just feel truly overflowing and like i am watching, and I am AMAZED!!

Just wanted to share that, that you and I pray you all have a great weekend and are drawn ever closer to Him daily.