ESV Erases Jesus' Miracle Escape

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Locoponydirtman

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Because they omit the superfluous statement that he passed through the crowd. How many ways was there into the temple? The fact that he hid himself and went out of the temple is a miracle by all means. How do you hide in an open room? How do you leave unnoticed?
Mountain out of a mole hill. I read other Bibles. There is a reason James had these Bibles chained to the pulpits in England, to force Protestants to use his compromise Bible. He wanted to appease the papists, so he had a version made to replace the Geneva Bible because the papists hated the fact that the Geneva Bible had anti pope notes in it. He had those removed and words like Easter put in. It's a compromise Bible compromising the word of God to please a man... The pope and papists in particular.
 
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John146

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MadHermit said:
It always amazes me that Christians with the highest view of biblical inspiration are so naively willing to the use the most corrupt Bible translation, the KJV. That's because they lack the awareness or integrity to read any of the standard books on Text Criticism, the science that determines the earliest and most accurate Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. In seminary we learned that 400,000 copy errors crept into the NT texts over the centuries; so it's crucial to put the manuscripts into families by geographical region and date to allow the recovery of original readings. The KJ translators did their best with what they had, but lacked the key early reliable NT manuscripts and were therefore forced to rely on centuries older copies. In the case of John 8:59, the key phrase ("going t;hrough the midst of them" ) has an appalling lack of support in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts and that is why that ESV (following the NRSV and NIV, to name just a couple of excellent modern translations) omits it. There is no disagreement about his in modern seminaries, both conservative and liberal. Perhaps a separate thread is needed to systematically expose the many corrupt readings that have crept into the KJ text.
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That seminary talked you right out of believing in God’s word. Seminaries teach their students to be their own final authority on what God has said.

Btw, the most “corrupt” KJV was the basis of the largest revival this world has ever seen.

You want to expose God’s word? Go for it. May the Lord have mercy on you.
 
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MadHermit

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No, John, I want to unleash God's Word! And I loved God's Word enough to learn Greek, Hebrew, and even Aramaic and to study in detail how the KJV got so corrupt. I even studied under Bruce Metzger, one of the top experts on the history of NT manuscripts. Have you done the same? Until you have, you have not even begun to earn your opinion based on sold historical research. btw, do you know that even the forger of the bogus KJ ending of Mark (26:9-20) is identified on one Greek manuscript as Aristo of Pella? btw, since God used Balaam's ass, he can certainly use the KJV in the absence of a superior alternative.
 
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John146

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MadHermit said:
No, John, I want to unleash God's Word! And I loved God's Word enough to learn Greek, Hebrew, and even Aramaic and to study in detail how the KJV got so corrupt. I even studied under Bruce Metzger, one of the top experts on the history of NT manuscripts. Have you done the same? Until you have, you have not even begun to earn your opinion based on sold historical research. btw, do you know that even the forger of the bogus KJ ending of Mark (26:9-20) is identified on one Greek manuscript as Aristo of Pella? btw, since God used Balaam's ass, he can certainly use the KJV in the absence of a superior alternative.
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And the new versions have ushered in the Age of Laodicea.
 
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John146

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MadHermit said:
No, John, I want to unleash God's Word! And I loved God's Word enough to learn Greek, Hebrew, and even Aramaic and to study in detail how the KJV got so corrupt. I even studied under Bruce Metzger, one of the top experts on the history of NT manuscripts. Have you done the same? Until you have, you have not even begun to earn your opinion based on sold historical research. btw, do you know that even the forger of the bogus KJ ending of Mark (26:9-20) is identified on one Greek manuscript as Aristo of Pella? btw, since God used Balaam's ass, he can certainly use the KJV in the absence of a superior alternative.
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And if I’m not mistaken, isn’t Bruce metzger a bible agnostic? I apologize if I’m mistaken.
 
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MadHermit

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Bruce Metzger was solidly evangelical and was criticized by liberal scholars for his conservative theology and high view of Scripture. He was the leading scholar on the committee that produced the most accurate version of the NT Greek text ever and provided detailed notes on how the upgrades were determined. The NIV and NRSV owe him a debt of gratitude. Humility would require you to withhold criticism until you have learned the original languages and the history of the thousands of copyist errors that have crept into the KJV text.
 
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John146 said:
And the new versions have ushered in the Age of Laodicea.
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This obviously presupposing dispensationalism.
If one is not a dispensationalist, then there is no such time as "laodicea"

Whatever happened to that literal interpretation of Scripture? There is nothing in the text of Revelation 1-3 that leads one to believe its talking about TIME PERIODS rather than just the seven churches in that time to whom the letter was sent to.

Audience relevancy!
 
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