Not By Works

Guys i want to ask this from all of you reading this:

Do you LIKE doing righteousness? Do you like loving your enemies? Do you like turning the other cheek?

I heard in a sermon that if not, you've never been born again!

Well unfortunately for someone like me, the answer to all those questions is an honest NO. I absolutely hate turning the other cheek when someone offends me. i'd like to tell them how it is, and if they slap me literally, i'd like to KO them.

Over all, listening through that sermon, just made me feel like an unsaved devil, really. Its like, all the qualities that a born again Christian SHOULD HAVE, i do by the skin of my teeth (if thats what the saying was, i forgot the english proverb).

I'll create a fake situation: someone offends me, I wont say anything back to them, and i'll ask God to bless them in prayer, BUT in the mean while im in my mind cussing them out constantly. Then I ask God to forgive me for that, then the SECOND i've said amen, i think about the same things again. IT IS FRUSTRATING TO SAY THE LEAST. I do believe in Jesus and that He shed His blood on the cross for my sins and that its the only payment for my sins......

I dont know if its the STREEEETS that i come from, where i've learned all the wrong things and molded my thinking wrongly, but shouldnt God take care of that for saved people? Make it a JOY to be do righteousness? Instead of a pain!??

Can someone answer my questions honestly. Tell me how it is. PS: i dont believe this is derailing thread, SINCE its related to being born again.

Mark 7:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

IS MY HEART FAR FROM THE LORD??

Matthew 23:27-28
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Am i full of hypocrisy and wickedness on the inside???

Is he still here? After he said he was leaving? Him and Fran are two peas in a pod.

The truth....I have several areas in my life that i am rock slid on and will never compromise the truth on....and I never boast or brag of the things I do for Christ....and then I have areas of particular weaknesses that I fail in on a regular basis......Paul said he had his thorn in the flesh to keep him from being exalted without measure...

I personally believe that ALL the saved children of GOD, if honest, have areas of weakness and failure in some form or fashion that keeps us humbled before God....

The only people that seem to disagree with this truth on a consistent basis are the salvation losers and those that peddle a works/obedience based salvation that must be kept by what they do.....

No watch how they respond.....

So you would say that im saved even with the conditions that i mentioned?

Thanks! Lets see what others say indeed.
I really want to know if im the only one in the world like this, and if everyone else is just constantly loving to turn the other cheek with no hypocrisy!

No, but I have a cousin who is an alcoholic. In the natural sense, I completely understand what it would take for an alcoholic to be delivered. But the cross of Christ is not weak, and who would feel comfortable with Christians constantly getting drunk?

Only liars would say they have no hypocrisy and or failures in some form or fashion.......there is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not.....

Well I do agree the cross is not weak!! Amen ....however people are.

I have always found it a bit of a mystery why two people who are saved and born again, one goes onto deliverance and the other battles all through their life with drunkenness often the symptom of abuse.

They are over run by emotional needs and the flesh and prefer to hold onto what is a temporal sinful comfort rather than letting God see them through

I this is one one reason why I reject your false doctrine of loosing salvation....why because many are weak and sadly miss the boat to a victorious Christian walk, but it does not mean that God has not justified them because they did believe Him for salvation an eternal gift apart from works

Whatever anyone may say about you or what you teach....... it does bring great COMFORT! That cant be denied

Have you considered that book idea that I suggested? (A book about OSAS and going thru verses people use to refute it and explaining those verses?)

Guys i want to ask this from all of you reading this:

Do you LIKE doing righteousness? Do you like loving your enemies? Do you like turning the other cheek?

I heard in a sermon that if not, you've never been born again!

Well unfortunately for someone like me, the answer to all those questions is an honest NO. I absolutely hate turning the other cheek when someone offends me. i'd like to tell them how it is, and if they slap me literally, i'd like to KO them.

Over all, listening through that sermon, just made me feel like an unsaved devil, really. Its like, all the qualities that a born again Christian SHOULD HAVE, i do by the skin of my teeth (if thats what the saying was, i forgot the english proverb).

I'll create a fake situation: someone offends me, I wont say anything back to them, and i'll ask God to bless them in prayer, BUT in the mean while im in my mind cussing them out constantly. Then I ask God to forgive me for that, then the SECOND i've said amen, i think about the same things again. IT IS FRUSTRATING TO SAY THE LEAST. I do believe in Jesus and that He shed His blood on the cross for my sins and that its the only payment for my sins......

I dont know if its the STREEEETS that i come from, where i've learned all the wrong things and molded my thinking wrongly, but shouldnt God take care of that for saved people? Make it a JOY to be do righteousness? Instead of a pain!??

Can someone answer my questions honestly. Tell me how it is. PS: i dont believe this is derailing thread, SINCE its related to being born again.

Mark 7:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

IS MY HEART FAR FROM THE LORD??

Matthew 23:27-28
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

Am i full of hypocrisy and wickedness on the inside???

Well I do agree the cross is not weak!! Amen ....however people are.

I have always found it a bit of a mystery why two people who are saved and born again, one goes onto deliverance and the other battles all through their life with drunkenness often the symptom of abuse.

They are over run by emotional needs and the flesh and prefer to hold onto what is a temporal sinful comfort rather than letting God see them through

I this is one one reason why I reject your false doctrine of loosing salvation....why because many are weak and sadly miss the boat to a victorious Christian walk, but it does not mean that God has not justified them because they did believe Him for salvation an eternal gift apart from works

AMEN....and the bible accurately portrays this truth..........most in God's kingdom are not these super duper uber Christians like the ones that portray themselves like that on CC........10 to 1 if the lives of the salvation losers and Cainologists could be inspected openly..........they would all be found guilty of the things they say causes the loss of salvation.

Would that be the Catholic priest you put on a pedestal?

You can only consider my doctrine as false by only accepting half a bible, or doing cartwheels with the plainly written word

Fort sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace Rom6:14 Correct or incorrect?

Fran, you would agree with the devil if you thought he was standing against me or something I said....the Heretic is not right.....men do not chose to go to hell...they chose to reject Christ, hell is already a given.......wake up to the truth and start standing for the truth instead of being an obstinate hard head.......!

Would that be the Catholic priest you put on a pedestal?

I agree with that. I've grown up around pentecostals all my life and as you know they believe you can lose your salvation, yet these people were JUST AS sinful as those who believe in OSAS

Not a dime worth of difference!

But I want to ask you bro: WHY does the Bible paint a picture like that? Where you dont do righteousness and that means you're not truly saved? Like 1 John 3:10 ! "whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God"!

And even thats not enough, because you got to do it FROM THE HEART so you're not like me (a pharisee who does it, but in my heart its another story).

You do realize the Gospel is in fact about the eternal salvation of the person apart from works?

Again where is the metric for loosing salvation?

If you do not have one, no one is actually saved because we all sin and deal with faith and belief issues,

The only people I see on here that get around this are those that claim they are perfect and never sin and have "faith" on some kind of auto pilot.

Yes indeed, sinless perfectionists aka auto pilot Christians

I am not one who claims never to commit sin. No believer is sinless. However, I wrote you out a post giving multiple scripture verses that states a believers righteousness/justification/rightstanding before God is faith in Christ. And scripture was included in that, that stated you remain saved as long as you keep your belief. Works save no one, b ut in the real world, in the practical life of a person, what does sin do? it hardens the heart. Commit enough wilfull sin and you lose your faith. And if you lose your rightstanding before God, you cannot at the same time say it still remains can you

No, but I have a cousin who is an alcoholic. In the natural sense, I completely understand what it would take for an alcoholic to be delivered. But the cross of Christ is not weak, and who would feel comfortable with Christians constantly getting drunk?

Scripture tells us we are made alive with Christ even when wee are dead in transgression/sinEph2:5, and our righteousness is faith in Christ. And I take the point, an alcoholic could be instantly delivered , or for another it may take time. In saying that though, I would not feel comfortable myself with the idea a person could remain an alcoholic for years. Sometimes they get drunk and sometimes they do not(is that what you mean, or as they are an alcoholic they always get drunk, not sure exactly what you mean?)
In my view, God starts with the things he considers most important that need changing once you get saved, I would think drunkenness would be very high on the list