Not By Works

if a sheep,still His sheep
which He is still the Shepard over

No I do not believe I'm working for my salvation by simply obeying God....He gives the Holy Spirit to those that obey him

we were dead in sin
then QUICKENED (made alive)
no longer dead

born again

You are absolutely right we were dead in sin..,.. as I have already pointed out the word you use their..... . dead
in Ephesians and Colossians it's the same word in the Greek for Luke 15 when Jesus said Prodigal Son was dead

Lol Sheep or people?

The sheep became a sinner in need of repentance.......that was the point of the lesson.........when we wander off God deals and deals with us with his mercy to repent

I don't understand this argument that the sheep is still a sheep.......was it ever anything else.......it was born a sheep, not sure what that has to do with anything

No I do not believe I'm working for my salvation by simply obeying God....He gives the Holy Spirit to those that obey him

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

You believe your obedience will keep you saved?


You don't believe we obey BY the Holy spirit?
🤔

LOL

I also am trying to understand this concept of a sheep always being a sheep.

I've heard this concept only on this thread.
Sheep not turning into goats..........

I know the bible is a magical book....
but that would be something to see!!!

I'm not a robot I choose to love and obey God....... If God forced me to love him you really couldn't call it love

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hebrews 5:9 KJV

And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Acts 5:32 KJV

To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
Acts 7:39 KJV

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Romans 2:7‭-‬8 KJV

I could go on and on

Lol, the only replying to little bits of my messages makes it hard to want to reply to you....

Ya I saw your post..🙄

john 6

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Philippians 3
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
romans 4

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


i could too
...all day

Im working just like you was yesterday evening.. . If you remember??

Why don't you afford me the same grace I did to you yesterday?

When you respond with a "book" to read, it's hard to get it in one post

Whats Funny is instead of responding to what I did answer you took the time to say I didn't answer all of your post

If you give into temptation and sin do you believe you need to repent?

the sheep -goat thing is based on the accepted being sheep, the rejected being goats.

sheep- accepted. goats rejected.


so, that is why we correctly say that sheep do not turn into goats , back to sheep, back to goats ....

that is what is meant,

i am also working

and maybe we should talk about something like this when we both can give more care to eachothers words

john 6

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Philippians 3
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
romans 4

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.


i could too
...all day

The sheep became a sinner in need of repentance.......that was the point of the lesson.........when we wander off God deals and deals with us with his mercy to repent

I don't understand this argument that the sheep is still a sheep.......was it ever anything else.......it was born a sheep, not sure what that has to do with anything

No I do not believe I'm working for my salvation by simply obeying God....He gives the Holy Spirit to those that obey him