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Deade

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Scripture states dead in Christ rise first which excludes any Christians taking part in the second resurrection. Only the unsaved are part of that last resurrection which is a resurrection to damnation.
Let us read about the second resurrection again:

John 5:28, 29 "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

This is the same resurrection Christ was speaking of. Some to life, and some to damnation. :cool:
 

ewq1938

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#42
This might be interesting:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Here we have a group of people who are being judged. They don't arrive from any specific place. They are simply there at the great white throne to be judged as if they died where they are being judged. Could it be these are the ones in Rev 20:9 that are killed by fire from God?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

After the first group are judged there are more that come from the sea and from death and hell. These were not already in the judging area like the first group were. We are seeing the dead being judged in stages. First a group that is not said to have arrived from elsewhere are judged. Then after that people start arriving from 3 places: hell, death and the sea. All of these imply deep dark places.

I believe that first group were the rebels of the little season and they died here upon the Earth and they were judged here instead of going to hades/hell which normally would occur. Then, those who are elsewhere are brought forth to also be judged.

This would explain why some are judged first, then others being judged afterwards from 3 separate places. So the last judgment has people who are from 4 different places:

1. Those already at the judgment area
2. Those from the sea
3. Those from death
4. Those from hell (hades)
 

Jackson123

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#43
Lets talk about it. Will you be resurrected?
Yes if we die before His second coming we will be resurrected, but if we not die till His second coming, we will be rapture


1 Corinthians 15:52

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
 

Deade

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#44
This might be interesting:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Here we have a group of people who are being judged. They don't arrive from any specific place. They are simply there at the great white throne to be judged as if they died where they are being judged. Could it be these are the ones in Rev 20:9 that are killed by fire from God?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

After the first group are judged there are more that come from the sea and from death and hell. These were not already in the judging area like the first group were. We are seeing the dead being judged in stages. First a group that is not said to have arrived from elsewhere are judged. Then after that people start arriving from 3 places: hell, death and the sea. All of these imply deep dark places.

I believe that first group were the rebels of the little season and they died here upon the Earth and they were judged here instead of going to hades/hell which normally would occur. Then, those who are elsewhere are brought forth to also be judged.

This would explain why some are judged first, then others being judged afterwards from 3 separate places. So the last judgment has people who are from 4 different places:

1. Those already at the judgment area
2. Those from the sea
3. Those from death
4. Those from hell (hades)
Fables. All Christian fables. :)(y):cool:
 

Lanolin

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#45
Yes if we die before His second coming we will be resurrected, but if we not die till His second coming, we will be rapture


1 Corinthians 15:52

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
Yep thats what I believe too. With the last trump, thats interesting, because few people consider what the last trump is.

How many trumps are there? Does it sound at certain times, when have we been hearing these trumps? Is it talking about the feast of trumpets, or the seven trumpets in revelation, or what. Are they close together or is there like a trumpet orchestra thats sounding for a long time until its all played out.
 

Lanolin

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#46
This might be interesting:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Here we have a group of people who are being judged. They don't arrive from any specific place. They are simply there at the great white throne to be judged as if they died where they are being judged. Could it be these are the ones in Rev 20:9 that are killed by fire from God?

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

After the first group are judged there are more that come from the sea and from death and hell. These were not already in the judging area like the first group were. We are seeing the dead being judged in stages. First a group that is not said to have arrived from elsewhere are judged. Then after that people start arriving from 3 places: hell, death and the sea. All of these imply deep dark places.

I believe that first group were the rebels of the little season and they died here upon the Earth and they were judged here instead of going to hades/hell which normally would occur. Then, those who are elsewhere are brought forth to also be judged.

This would explain why some are judged first, then others being judged afterwards from 3 separate places. So the last judgment has people who are from 4 different places:

1. Those already at the judgment area
2. Those from the sea
3. Those from death
4. Those from hell (hades)
Hmm could be. I guess it might take a while to judge all those people on their works or is it a case of, hmm cant see your name in the book of life, away you go into the lake of fire.
Im interested to find out more about this judging process. Does God go througn your life moment by moment or does He look at your spiritual cv or something. Or may Be he asks you to give your testimony. .
 

ewq1938

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#47
Hmm could be. I guess it might take a while to judge all those people on their works or is it a case of, hmm cant see your name in the book of life, away you go into the lake of fire.

I think it doesn't take long at all.
 

Lanolin

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#48
Just to add, not talking about donald trump. If hes the last trump, maybe the end is very near.
 

Jackson123

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#49
Yep thats what I believe too. With the last trump, thats interesting, because few people consider what the last trump is.

How many trumps are there? Does it sound at certain times, when have we been hearing these trumps? Is it talking about the feast of trumpets, or the seven trumpets in revelation, or what. Are they close together or is there like a trumpet orchestra thats sounding for a long time until its all played out.
As far as I know, there are 7 Trump . Second coming and rapture happen in the last Trump.
 

Nehemiah6

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#51
As far as I know, there are 7 Trump . Second coming and rapture happen in the last Trump.
You are confusing the trumpets of wrath with the trumpet of salvation. This is a common error. The 7 trumpets are for judgment whereas *the last trump* or *the trump of God* is for salvation -- resurrection and glorification.
 

Lanolin

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#52
You are confusing the trumpets of wrath with the trumpet of salvation. This is a common error. The 7 trumpets are for judgment whereas *the last trump* or *the trump of God* is for salvation -- resurrection and glorification.
So theres 8 trumps...is that what you saying?
 

Nehemiah6

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#53
So theres 8 trumps...is that what you saying?
There are 7 trumpets of judgment within the 7th seal. These are for those who are unbelieving, ungodly, and wicked, and have not obeyed the Gospel.

But there is one last trump of God exclusively for His saints. It is a summons to bring the Church -- the Bride of Christ -- to Heaven, in order to fulfill the Marriage of the Lamb.
 

Jackson123

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You are confusing the trumpets of wrath with the trumpet of salvation. This is a common error. The 7 trumpets are for judgment whereas *the last trump* or *the trump of God* is for salvation -- resurrection and glorification.
So there are 2 set of 7 trump? 7 for wrath and 7 for salvation?
 

Noose

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#55
Yes if we die before His second coming we will be resurrected, but if we not die till His second coming, we will be rapture


1 Corinthians 15:52

“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
So why is Paul counting himself amongst those that will changed in the twinkling of an eye and not amongst those that will be raised?
 

Jackson123

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So why is Paul counting himself amongst those that will changed in the twinkling of an eye and not amongst those that will be raised?
Paul is not God, no body know the hour when the second coming only God.

So Paul think the second coming happen in his life time.
 

Noose

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#57
Paul is not God, no body know the hour when the second coming only God.

So Paul think the second coming happen in his life time.
It was God working through Paul; are yoy trying to say that God was wrong and you are right?
 
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Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
I take Him at his Word on that. Today meant their Today even though to us living it appears as death and the grave, He deemed it paradise.
I do belive to be absent our body or flesh we are present with Christ where He is we also will be found with Him.
 

Jackson123

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It was God working through Paul; are yoy trying to say that God was wrong and you are right?
Yes God working throug Paul. But it did not mean God make Paul god.

About when Jesus come only God know

Matthew 24:36 King James Version (KJV)
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
 

Jackson123

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So why is Paul counting himself amongst those that will changed in the twinkling of an eye and not amongst those that will be raised?
Do you know why?