Not By Works

Eternity is at stake for those on the fence and or those that have devalued the work of Jesus on our behalf

So where does it say that it's IRREVOCABLE?

No one can snatch them out of the Father's hand and I agree to whatever was written to teach us and esp God's Words.

We are in God's hand like a FREE bird that can FREELY fly away if it wishes to. No one can snatch us away from the Father's hand as long as we REMAIN OR ABIDE IN HIM.


The itsy TWISTY spider...

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. THEY ARE GODLESS MEN, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

...They claim to know God, but by THEIR ACTIONS they DENY Him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and UNFIT for doing anything good. Titus 1:16

Look who's talking about HONESTY.

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

Do you not CALL EVIL GOOD and GOOD EVIL? (Isaiah 5:20-24)

Is it RIGHT to OBEY God? Is it GOOD or is it WRONG and EVIL? If it is RIGHT and GOOD, why do you call those who promote OBEDIENCE TO GOD as FALSE or peddlers of a FALSE GOSPEL?

Do you not insult and call the views of those who promote OBEDIENCE to God as IDIOTIC?

It's funny how your group can say that only genuine believers would OBEY God and those who promote OBEDIENCE to God are LOST, UNBELIEVERS, FALSE, DECEIVER, NOT SAVED TO BEGIN WITH and many other discriminating NEGATIVE remarks.

And when you are called out, you will accuse them of SLANDER and start bullying those who disagree with you.

But scriptures fortold of these kind of people and behaviour.

.. Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:14-19

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

...Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. HE WHO DOES WHAT IS RIGHT IS RIGHTEOUS, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.

IS IT RIGHT TO OBEY GOD or not?

Are you an instrument of God's righteousness or do you just BELIEVE and let God do everything for you?

Who now is the LORD, you?...and who is your servant, GOD?

....“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘IT IS FUTILE TO SERVE GOD. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then THOSE WHO FEARED THE LORD talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I WILL SPARE THEM, just as in compassion a man spares HIS SON WHO SERVES HIM. And you will again see the DISTINCTION between the RIGHTEOUS and the WICKED, between those who SERVE GOD and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18

...God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him WE MIGHT BECOME THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. 2 Corinthians 5:21

Our motive is to be used as His instrument.
The Holy Spirit is our helper.
Sometimes, however, we even have to do what we don't want to do.
I don't particularly like some persons in my life, but I always tried to love them and treat them well.
Was this work?

I agree with all you've said,,,,but I also know that work IS part of our salvation and I really fail to understand the problem with this.

Maybe it's called good deeds?
I do think we should obey God....


Hebrews 4:3, 7
“… only we who believe can enter His rest … but those who first heard this good news
failed to enter because they disobeyed God.”

You know....I love the truth

It’s called the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26



the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith



These folks are too busy looking for loop holes in God’s word that gives them the right to live immoral lives of disobedience, rather than just reading God’s word.



I feel sad for their family and children who will be taught their perverted Gospel.


All the young Christians as well have grown thinking obedience to His commandments, His doctrine and His gospel is somehow a bad thing.



So sad.



It will be too late when they stand before Him on Judgement Day.






JPT

really u' all, take a break!!! - breathe and find your heartbeat!!!

Am not reading all of this post. But will answer your question about irrevocable. It's in the very short word "in". Translated as a fixed position.
If not secure, you will never be a threat to the enemy.

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You hate the truth and all those of us who promote it.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

• does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Amen! Besides perverting the gospel, twisting the scriptures, sowing seeds of doubt and deception, along with attacking those in the OSAS camp and resorting to slander, what is his purpose here? Apparently, that is his purpose here.

"whenever we do anything for God"

Here is the standing back approach to our walk in Christ.
We are Christ on earth, His body, His witness, His presence.
Everything we do is for God, not just occasional acts or efforts, everything.

Do everything in love.
1 Cor 16:14

It’s called the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26



the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith



These folks are too busy looking for loop holes in God’s word that gives them the right to live immoral lives of disobedience, rather than just reading God’s word.



I feel sad for their family and children who will be taught their perverted Gospel.


All the young Christians as well have grown thinking obedience to His commandments, His doctrine and His gospel is somehow a bad thing.



So sad.



It will be too late when they stand before Him on Judgement Day.



JPT

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4



The liar is the one who claims born again Christians don’t need to keep His commandments.



“I know Him” is the biblical definition of eternal life.




JPT

Yes those born again Christians that believe we don’t need to keep His commandments in which they live in sin, thinking they are righteous will be shocked when they stand before Christ on Judgement Day, to be Judged according to our deeds.

• eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; Romans 2:7

JPT

He gave us a new nature empowered by the Spirit to have the ability to walk in righteousness.

Living in unrighteousness is devaluing His work on the cross.

what is the Gospel?
believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
what commands are we to obey?
believe in the name of the Son and love one another.
so, to believe is to obey.
belief- obtains salvation.
obey- what one does after one believes. does not cause nor maintain salvation.
and, I wish you and others would stop jumping to the conclusion that we who tell the truth about salvation through grace and faith alone are somehow saying " just believe and you behave however you want, does not matter."
no one is saying that.

and the lying about Scripture goes on and on.

same man, same letter, " the commands are believe in the name of the Son and love one another "

you can fight against truth all you want, it does not nullify Scripture.

It’s called the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26



the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith



These folks are too busy looking for loop holes in God’s word that gives them the right to live immoral lives of disobedience, rather than just reading God’s word.



I feel sad for their family and children who will be taught their perverted Gospel.


All the young Christians as well have grown thinking obedience to His commandments, His doctrine and His gospel is somehow a bad thing.



So sad.



It will be too late when they stand before Him on Judgement Day.






JPT

Morning bro. Hope your staying warm, we are back in deep freeze again!!

This was posted by the other member,,,@justpassinthrough :

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4

What is a lie about the above?
It's just plain and simple scripture.

The obedience of faith is not what you are peddling.

What commandment was Abraham obeying when he left his home not knowing where he was going?

What commandment was he following when he took his only natural born son, his heir who which would be the ancestry of the "seed" of faith to the altar of sacrifice?

Commands. He was hearing...fellow shipping with God. And following.

We are an army. One body carrying out His functions. By faith or believing our commander against the enemy. And the enemy lies. So we make a choice of who we will believe in the garden of our heart.