Purity - Without being purified do we know anything

You previously concluded I didn't. So why ask me now?
In brief...
We have been purified by the blood of Jesus as believers.
We are continually being cleansed as believers.
We will never reach full purity in this life.
(Did I pass your test?)

As born again believers, this is not possible because God won't allow that to be a permanant sation gor His children.

Philippians 2:13 (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
(Heb 12:5-8)

You see, 'grace' is more than a religious word, it is God in action for our good.

Sounds like it is just something that happens, rather than we are involved.
How does this fit with Pauls encouragements?

1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything
that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.
2 Cor 7

So we should avoid certain behavioiur that defiles us.

Perfect is whatever God defines it as.

That was the impression I was getting and was confirmed by this statement...
Which translated means 'whatever I define it as'.

God surely disciplines us, as it says in hebrews. But equally we need to take our responsibility to
walk in His ways and honour His name.

No Perfect is whatever God defines it as.

Order in the Court, order in the Court, 'cause here come da Judge!

Just what GB9 said above

What 'you' declare? You are only confirming my suspicion ...

Why would you say that when you yourself appear to have done the same thing?

"because you are not walking in the light and being open."

And where did GB9 post anything in this thread.

Some seem to believe there is something more than shinning as Gods workmanship, as saints
walking after our Lord, in His ways and His path. Purity is the beginning of seeing what is wrong,
to know what love truly is, why dying for another is the highest form of sacrifice, that the glory of
man is just a clanging gong.

John declared to believe we are without sin is sin itself.

Show me where I had passed this kind of Judgment on FHS...



Look at post #12.

Are you finished at your cross examination and/or is FHS your client?

What 'you' declare? You are only confirming my suspicion ...

just so anyone posting or reading this will know- the O.P, does not recognize any definitions of words that he choses , he just makes up his own meanings, with out care for the actual language,

in another thread, he and I were discussing the definition of sin, he stated that the greek language ( which the N.T. was written in ) as a " philosophy ".
that's it, saying no more, just wanted to point out the mindset at work here.

Just what GB9 said above

You are simply not declaring your meaning or understanding.
That is not walking in the light. And the trouble with accusers is they
love to play games and hide their real beliefs and foundations, because
simply they are sinners justifying their own behaviour.

It is why Jesus described those who rejected His message as those who
walked in darkness because their deeds were evil.

I agree with you because we receive sustenance from the VINE and you have to be In the VINE to receive sustenance

After salvation renew your mind so that you may prove that good and acceptable and the perfect will of GOD.

Which is a judgement and does nothing to further a civil conversation. Here is where you were going. I had gb9 on ignore due to his demeanor so I did see the post.

Amen!



Renew? I assume you are alluding to Romans 12:2. The Greek word there is
ἀνακαίνωσις
anakainōsis
Thayer Definition:
1) a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better

God has said.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(Heb 8:10 KJV)

The renovation is done. His Laws were put into our minds and hearts. A complete change for the better. Not an ongoing process.

Renewal in Romans 12:2 is in the Dative case.
Part of Speech: Noun
Case: Dative (indirect object, "to"; also location "in", "at"; instrument, "with")
Number: Singular
Gender: Feminine


With the above understanding of the dative case with Hebrews 8:10 in consideration I believe renewal should be understood as the indirect object or instrument not locative. So with that I see Romans 12:2 as follows....

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed to the renewal of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Rom 12:1-3)

Neither does your nitpicky judgments, playing prosecuting attorney, further civil discourse. Are you a Mod? If you can't stick to the subject of the OP, then feel free to put me on ignore as well.

shoe doesn’t fit huh? Thought maybe you being a professing christian....

Hmm, not only a prosecuting attorney but a Judge as well.

The KJV says BY the renewal of your mind.When we were In the world everything we did was recognized by using our GOD given 5 sense knowledge and we agreed with our senses In this flesh.[\quote]Spiritual things are Spiritual discerned.
Head knowledge is not what is being said in relation to Heb 8:10






God said that He put His Laws in our minds and in our hearts. Romans 10:6-8 says the same thing but in other words. It says through GOD's Spirit. The Word (Christ) is in our heart and in our mouth.
God said it so it must be so.
It is the means of our sanctification.
Through HIS Spirit our spirit must be put to death. For it is He that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. For it is a certainty that in HIM we move live and have our being.

Spiritual things are Spiritual discerned.

Head knowledge is not what is being said in relation to Heb 8:10

You are funny. You start making comments about someone rather than address the points they make. They respond to your slights. And then you say they are judgmental and now I am judgmental because I pointed it out to you. lol

Your turn.....