Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

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2Pillars

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It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible.

There is NOT one Truth for True Science and another one for "Bible Believing Christians”. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth. That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

I also love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

Jesus said, "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you.
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Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us the 3 elements created before the first Day. It was air, dust, and water. Jesus took some of the air, dust, and water, and changed it into energy by causing a Singularity. Exactly as Jesus knew it would, matter inflated from the Black hole made by the first of the first Huge Stars to implode and become a Singularity which produced other Universes.

Can you tell us HOW ancient man Moses knew this? It's proof of our Literal God, for ONLY God could know this scientific Truth thousands of years ago, literally speaking, and leave the story in His Holy Word for a man to read and understand. The story has been there for thousands of years, but we are just now beginning to understand that it was written by the Supreme intelligence of creation. His name is YHWH or Jesus, the Son of the invisible God.

Millions of years later, the Universe had cooled enough to become visible. Genesis 2:4 gives us the Day this Big Bang happened. It was the 3rd Day the SAME Day the first Earth was made, which was the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10. God also got the FACT that Stars didn't shine until the 4th Day, which was millions of years AFTER the Big Bang. This is a recent scientific discovery. There is NO way any ancient man Moses could have possibly known this. Again, it's proof of our awesome God.
 
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What you don't like is that I expose the looniness of YOUR False theology.
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The theories you have posted have nothing to do with the Word of God, but with false interpretations of Scriptures spread by false preachers of the Word of God, ministers of the Devil (2Cor.11:13-15. Check it)

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There are those who hypocritically preach good works, while falsely accusing their supposed brethren. Sometimes one can believe that Satan's work is being accomplished by Phonies like you, and Not Heathens.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Mat 23:27
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You and many like you interpret Scriptures by the letter, the letter kills. Those which interpret and preach Scriptures by the letter are killers, killers of souls.

JESUS warned: Unto every one that has shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. What JESUS have said will fulfil LITERALLY.
 
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Oseas said:
The theories you have posted have nothing to do with the Word of God, but with false interpretations of Scriptures spread by false preachers of the Word of God, ministers of the Devil (2Cor.11:13-15. Check it)



You and many like you interpret Scriptures by the letter, the letter kills. Those which interpret and preach Scriptures by the letter are killers, killers of souls.

JESUS warned: Unto every one that has shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. What JESUS have said will fulfil LITERALLY.
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Dear Oseas,

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Soon, you will DIE in your sins... keep it up.
 
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Dear Oseas,
Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Soon, you will DIE in your sins... keep it up.
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But at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him. They wich that be ready will in with him to the marriage, and the door is shut for ever like the door of the Noah's Arc (Gen.7:v.16). How blessed are those who have been invited to the wedding feast of the Lamb.

Remember. JESUS warned: Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the Ark, and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also in the coming of the Son of man be.

Be ready then. Be ready. Once JESUS does shut the door as He did in the Noah's Ark you will not see His decision of this act, it may be now, even now, and you will not see, thus there will not be more salvation absolutely, who is ready and be inside is saved, who is not ready is lost for ever. Wake up. Wake up, though it be midnight.
 
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The works of God made through JESUS in the first millennium - Genesis 1:1-5 , remembering that God the Almighty calls those things which be not as though they already were.

1 In the beginning - in JESUS - God - the Father- created the heavens and the earth. - Yeah, He created the 1st, and the 2nd, and the 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens.
- Heaven is not the physical space of the Univedrse, but celestial PLACES IN CHRIST like the first Covenant - the Old Testament - and after the second Covenant - the New Testament - . The next heavenly place in Christ is the Kingdom of God which will be established in this seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, or the seventh and last Day. After this, will be established the heaven of the heavens, an heaven more powerful than these three first heavens, and then begins the Eternity.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. - Yeah, the earth was without form, but this has nothing to do with geometric form absolutely.

And the earth was void, was void of what? The Word of God is not speaking of the ground, the earth was void of the knowledge of God.

God Himself revealed to the prophet Isaiah who said: Isaiah 45:v.18 - For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens (4 heavens); God Himself that formed the earth (this has nothing with geometric form) and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain - in chaos or void - , he formed it to be inhabited - yes, but not by the sons of Devil - : I am the Lord; and there is none else.

And darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The deep - the abyss - is the place where Satan will be cast down in this present time, time of Apocalypse.
There was a population in the Garden of Eden, whose population was ruled by a Cherub, and after the rebellion of them all, the earth remained only and only in great darkness,...
But the Spirit of God moved upon the face of waters (waters are peoples, nations, crowd and tongues, waters in this context has nothing to do with H2O, ABSOLUTELY. What does the composition of water - H2O - have with the Spirit of God? Absolutely nothing, but peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, all who are trapped in the darkness of the Devil, they all have. The Spirit of God moved upon the waters and then was born first Abel, who is of God's seed, and was born Seth and all his descendants.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Now, now, God is Light, in Him is no darkness at all. Let there be light as was said by God, it means God saying: May I be known of the peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues. If we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. - And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil , it since the beginning. For instance, Cain was of the Devil and killed his brother Abel. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first Day. - That is the first millennium, the end of the first millennium occurred as soon as was born Noah.

Now we are in the time of Apocalypse, the period of time of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day. The Day of God's rest. The true Christians, the true believers, are not in the night called darkness by God. The true Christians, the true believers, are all the children of light, and the children of the Day: they are not of the night, nor of darkness. God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Let us, who are of the Day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation, for God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Amem.
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Dear Readers,

Some spend their time trying to force their religious position to agree with the Scripture. The FACT is that the word shamayim is used to indicate air and sky as well as the heaven/firmament where Jesus is today, physically.

Those people who rely on studying these ancient words REFUSE to accept the fact that these words have more than one meaning and only those who have been born again Spiritually can possibly understand the meaning of the words and which definition the Holy Spirit used when He authored Genesis from within the men who penned them. 1Co 2:14

Strong's gives us the various usage of the words used in Scripture however, which usage of these words used is the view of mere mortal men. Some, who study these words, give more credence to man's views than God's views. A good example is that the word heaven can be used to mean air, heaven/universe, or the sky.

Beware those who try to force their biased view into the account while refusing to acknowledge whether or NOT they are even Christian Petenders.

They do NOT understand that Genesis agrees in EVERY way with EVERY other discovered Truth so they invent their own Spirit-free view. This view does NOT agree with either Scripture, Science nor History so they claim there is one Truth for the Bible and another for scientists and historians. This is FALSE since God's Truth MUST agree with EVERY other discovered Truth or you have the WRONG interpretation of Scripture since there is ONLY One Truth and God's Truth ALWAYS agrees with every other discovered Truth.
 
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Each of God's Days is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.
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Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it (set apart): because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.

Notice that this verse tells us that God rests from ALL of His work on the 7th Day. IF God had already rested in the past from ALL of His work, it would be too late to become a Christian, since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to CREATE a new creature in Christ Spiritually. Genesis 1:26 AND Jhn 14:16.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day, when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

This explains WHY God used the Hebrew language since it shows that His blessing of this Day is FUTURE, since it is written in Hebrew ImPerfect Tense, which means that the action is not yet complete.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
 
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The 7th Day has no End.
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seeing that He rested on the 7th day ((Genesis 2:2)), and seeing that presently He is always working ((John 5:17)), how can that be?

furthermore He speaks often of an eighth day:

And on the eighth day he shall bring them for his cleansing to the priest, to the entrance of the tent of meeting, before the LORD.​
(Leviticus 14:23) ​

He walked with man in the garden, in the cool of the day - which day?
 
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Each of God's Days is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.


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Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it (set apart): because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.

Notice that this verse tells us that God rests from ALL of His work on the 7th Day. IF God had already rested in the past from ALL of His work, it would be too late to become a Christian, since it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to CREATE a new creature in Christ Spiritually. Genesis 1:26 AND Jhn 14:16.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day, when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

This explains WHY God used the Hebrew language since it shows that His blessing of this Day is FUTURE, since it is written in Hebrew ImPerfect Tense, which means that the action is not yet complete.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
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Where does anyone see that Genesis 1&2 mentioned anything about this so called "eight day" of creation??????

Conclusion: We live today at Genesis 1:27 because God is STILL creating mankind in Christ in order to bring His Creation to perfection. He will not rest until ALL of His work is complete on the FUTURE 7th Day or Age in the Creation of the perfect Heaven, and ALL of the host of Heaven, which includes ALL Christians, are safely in Heaven.
 
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Dear Oseas,

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Soon, you will DIE in your sins... keep it up.
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don’t do things like this to tell people they will soon die, it shows how disconnected your being and your are not he
 
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don’t do things like this to tell people they will soon die, it shows how disconnected your being and your are not he
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While he denies it, Oseas' comments indicate that he thinks everyone who disagrees with his interpretation of Scripture is a flagrant sinner destined for hell.
 
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While he denies it, Oseas' comments indicate that he thinks everyone who disagrees with his interpretation of Scripture is a flagrant sinner destined for hell.
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And that shows how delusional people can get.
 
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While he denies it, Oseas' comments indicate that he thinks everyone who disagrees with his interpretation of Scripture is a flagrant sinner destined for hell.
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he ain't the only one, either :(

is there any popcorn left?
 
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posthuman, post: 3915830, member: 170505"]
Isaiah 43:19
Behold, I will do a new thing, Now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it?

This post of mine is not adressed for you exclusively. I am only taking this message of the prophet Isaiah you have quoted, for to confirm the message am posting below replying some posts about myself.

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What prevails is the Word of God. The Word is God.

Now, even now, in the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium, coming the Son of man in His glory then will he sit upon the throne of His glory, and before Him will be gathered all nations and the sheep will be at His right hand, but the goats on the left.

Unto those that are at the right hand will be said by JESUS, the King:
- Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Matt. 25:v.34

Unto those that are at the left hand will be said by JESUS, the King:
- Depart from me, ye CURSED, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his messengers - his hosts - . Matt.25:v.41

What prevails is the Word of God. The Word is God.

The words above will fulfil LITERALLY in this Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium, understand? Be sure that It will be very terrible to be CURSED by the own Lord JESUS now in His manifestation. By the way, JESUS already has CURSED those which are at His left hand by written, it will be fulfilled LITERALLY now the Lord's Day.

It will be fulfilled LITERALLY by the written Word of the Lord, JESUS the King. And the own Word of God confirms the fulfilment, saying: Isiah 55:v.11 - So shall my Word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear Him. Luke 12:v.5

What prevails is the Word of God. The Word is God.
 
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Matt.7:19 -23

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


John 12:48-49

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge

him in the last Day. - the Lord's Day. This Day has alrewady arrived -

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should

speak.
 
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I am not DISCUSSING about foolish theories and teachings many have learned from false interpreters and preachers of the Word of God,

the false prophets, those which have infested the earth with their devilish apostasies. I am fighting against three unclean spirits like

frogs that come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon, and out of the MOUTH the Beast, the followers of the Pope who is wedded with the

Great Whore, the Roman Catholic Church, and come out of the MOUTH of the false prophet. (All false preachers of the Word of God are

false prophets). I know their diabolical spirits like frogs, they make part of the flood that the red Dragon cast out of his mouth (words)

as a flood - as a river - against the Church of the Lord JESUS Christ, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Revelation

12:15
 
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I'm surprised this thread is still going...

Is it possible that we are simpletons that cannot understand the inner workings of creation and the totality of the Lord and leave it at that?

We are finite creatures. When we talk of multi verses or that there was approximately 500,000,000 years between the first and second big bang it just sounds incredibly childish. Are we sure it wasn't 500,000,012 years?

Our knowledge is incomplete and will remain so until our faith becomes sight. Is there more past that? I certainly hope so, but I can't say because I'm not there ;)


I'm not saying the OP hasn't had some cool personal revelations to suit his spirit but it cannot be understood in totality yet so again...that puts us at an impasse.
 
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