Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

no one is baptized in the Holy Spirit at conversion. no one. it is a separate event as the Bible clearly indicates and as people in this forum have patiently dealt with in illustrations from both scripture and personal witness and testimony. what do you think scripture is exactly? or did you miss where it is written that these things are written so that you might believe...and following a summary of events EXPERIENCED by those who wrote the words?

right. perhaps a deep breath is indicated here for you? didn't really think so


persons such as yourself, over a matter of years...years especially in your case...as any who have been here some time know. you know too

actually unsound doctrine is the work of teaching demons as indicated in scripture. demons teach unsound doctrine through human beings who lie when they say God has called them to be a teacher

the very sad truth there, is that they are deceived by the demons themself and believe they are teaching truth

even spirit filled Christians are susceptible to this because they neglect to discern and or follow the clear warnings in scripture about deception, which is the devil coming as an angel of light

does not matter about your opinion on this. many of us know this to be true and verifiable in both scripture and through experience in dealing with congregations and believers on a much larger scale than most individual Christians will experience

no one is baptized in the Holy Spirit at conversion. no one. it is a separate event as the Bible clearly indicates and as people in this forum have patiently dealt with in illustrations from both scripture and personal witness and testimony. what do you think scripture is exactly? or did you miss where it is written that these things are written so that you might believe...and following a summary of events EXPERIENCED by those who wrote the words?

right. perhaps a deep breath is indicated here for you? didn't really think so


persons such as yourself, over a matter of years...years especially in your case...as any who have been here some time know. you know too

actually unsound doctrine is the work of teaching demons as indicated in scripture. demons teach unsound doctrine through human beings who lie when they say God has called them to be a teacher

the very sad truth there, is that they are deceived by the demons themself and believe they are teaching truth

even spirit filled Christians are susceptible to this because they neglect to discern and or follow the clear warnings in scripture about deception, which is the devil coming as an angel of light

does not matter about your opinion on this. many of us know this to be true and verifiable in both scripture and through experience in dealing with congregations and believers on a much larger scale than most individual Christians will experience

remarkable!

just like scripture

what do you think you are reading in the Bible when you read of the EXPERIENCE regarding the Holy Spirit the authors were sharing?

do you imagine that it was a script that floated down out of heaven or perhaps a dove bore the message in it's beak written on parchment?

the very experience CONFIRMS the experience of those who wrote of their EXPERIENCE to begin with

I'm not dumb but I am not a genius either

how come most of you miss that?

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

This part of the passage stood out to me. He wasnt yet convertered. And He had been walking with Christ and had been revealed Jesus is the son of God. And he believed in Him. But obviously he wasnt converted yet. Thought id share. See if this adds to what you are saying.

remarkable!

just like scripture

what do you think you are reading in the Bible when you read of the EXPERIENCE regarding the Holy Spirit the authors were sharing?

do you imagine that it was a script that floated down out of heaven or perhaps a dove bore the message in it's beak written on parchment?

the very experience CONFIRMS the experience of those who wrote of their EXPERIENCE to begin with

I'm not dumb but I am not a genius either

how come most of you miss that?

I Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

There is only one source of Christian faith... as it is written.

Personal experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things of God. It is becoming the new gospel of signs and wonders reincarnated.

If experience was the validator of the spiritual unseen things. If that was case Jesus our example flunked the test in Mathew 4. .

Rather than believe his own weakened condition (no food 40 days) he refused to beleive his own fleshly puffed up mind of those things which he did not see when the devil, called worshipping of angels in Colossians 2 gave a great experiences called by some" out of the body" or near death , which is simply lying spirits bring in lying wonders .The devil performed a lying wonder of all the kingdoms and all the glory of earth. Three times Jesus declared the one source of Christian faith, as it is written

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Colossains 2:18

First of all, Paul tells his listeners to covet earnestly the best gifts. If the church does not operate in spiritual gifts why are they encouraged to covet them?
Afterward, Paul advises those present that operating in spiritual gifts is not more important than having love for one another.

Spiritual gifts are far more than tongues. There are gifts that are better than healing the physical body or even raising the dead. A dead Christian is in a far better place than to be dragged back into this sinful world. An unsaved soul brought back would have a brief reprieve from the agony of eternal condemnation. You speak of Spiritual gifts yet omit the excellent gifts. Love being the best gift. Love for the lost and love for fellow believers. Love to help the poor and to warn the sinner of certain condemnation apart from Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Evidently you did not read my entire comment. I noticed you do that a lot. You jump on a band wagon without even reading mine or others entire comment(s).
If you have no intention of considering what others have to offer why bother to involve yourself in the conversation?

You speak of Spiritual gifts yet omit the excellent gifts. Love being the best gift. Love for the lost and love for fellow believers. Love to help the poor and to warn the sinner of certain condemnation apart from Christ.

If it lacks biblical fidelity what consideration does it deserve?

My response - Evidently you did not read my entire comment.

Please explain how my comment regarding the importance of LOVE lacks biblical fidelity?

My response to you was as follows:
First of all, Paul tells his listeners to covet earnestly the best gifts. If the church does not operate in spiritual gifts why are they encouraged to covet them?
Afterward, Paul advises those present that operating in spiritual gifts is not more important than having love for one another.

So are you suggesting that the you tube commentary of a man talking about his experience is scripture?

If you were not baptized in the Holy Spirit you were not converted. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens us. Eph 2 It is the washing of regeneration. Titus 3:5 The Holy Spirit is the promise of God that we are saved. The Holy Spirit is the witness with our spirit that we have been saved and sealed unto the day of redemption.

The elect cannot be deceived. God will not permit the elect in Christ to be deceived about their salvation.

Things like this concern me about the Pentecostals. I only hope it merely indicates a lack of biblical discipleship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Evidently you did not read my entire comment. I noticed you do that a lot. You jump on a band wagon without even reading mine or others entire comment(s).
If you have no intention of considering what others have to offer why bother to involve yourself in the conversation?

oh my. isn't that well crafted. except it is a device used by those who cannot offer a response that is biblical

now try to formulate something based on what I actually said

did the men who wrote the scriptures we call the Bible have an experience or not?

If you were not baptized in the Holy Spirit you were not converted. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens us. Eph 2 It is the washing of regeneration. Titus 3:5 The Holy Spirit is the promise of God that we are saved. The Holy Spirit is the witness with our spirit that we have been saved and sealed unto the day of redemption.

The elect cannot be deceived. God will not permit the elect in Christ to be deceived about their salvation.

Things like this concern me about the Pentecostals. I only hope it merely indicates a lack of biblical discipleship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

There is only one source of Christian faith... as it is written.

Personal experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual things of God. It is becoming the new gospel of signs and wonders reincarnated.

If experience was the validator of the spiritual unseen things. If that was case Jesus our example flunked the test in Mathew 4. .

Rather than believe his own weakened condition (no food 40 days) he refused to beleive his own fleshly puffed up mind of those things which he did not see when the devil, called worshipping of angels in Colossians 2 gave a great experiences called by some" out of the body" or near death , which is simply lying spirits bring in lying wonders .The devil performed a lying wonder of all the kingdoms and all the glory of earth. Three times Jesus declared the one source of Christian faith, as it is written

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Colossains 2:18

You assume that any church that is not Pentecostal is not operating in the Spiritual gifts. This is a self serving and patently false assumption. It lacks fidelity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger