Mystery Babylon

Catholicism and Christianity----OXYMORON you think

Because it is not Rome.........!!!!! But hey, most buy that it is......!!

Given the monopoly of real ecclesiastical and military power that Rome had the RC church would have destroyed all copies
of the Revelation manuscripts.
They had a pretty good go at ridding the gospel of Mark of those last controversial verses that those who do not speak in
tongues love to hate.

We meet in a house every Sunday........!!!! Pray and Study for almost 2 hours, Pray and dismiss.......

The funny thing...he should know better....I have friends in AU that are die hard Roman Catholic.....they will tell you in a heart beat that they are not Christian, but rather ROMAN Catholics...........I actually got to sit at their table for two hours over Christmas and witness to the whole lot about being justified in Christ by faith........they listened intently.......

How is the faithful city become an Harlot!
It was full of judgement righteousness
lodged in it, but now murderers

Isaiah 1: 21 KJV

The word of the Lord came again unto me
saying Son of Man there were two women
the daughters of one mother, and they
committed whoredoms in Egypt they
committed whoredoms in their youth
there were their breasts pressed and there
they bruised the teats of their virginity. and
the names of them were Aholah the Elder
and Aholibah her sister and they were mine
and they bare sons and daughters thus
were their names : Samaria is Aholah and
Jerusalem is Aholibah and Aholah played
the harlot when she was mine and she doted
on her lovers on the Assyrians her neighbours

Ezekiel 23: 1- 5 KJV

And when her sister Aholibah saw this she
was more corrupt in her inordinate love than
she and in her whoredoms more than her
sister in her whoredoms

Ezekiel 23: 11 KJV


And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the
Great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt
where also our Lord was crucified

Revelation 11: 8

In Revelation the Whore is pictured as a parody of a
Jewish High Priest.

Jerusalem is the City where Christ was
Crucified. Its interesting to note that the only other city
in Revelation called 'great' is Babylon.

My answer to this type of question is so what?
Let me accept Babylon is the RC church. Can I do anything about it? No
Let me accept Babylon is Jerusalem. Can I do anything about it? No

Probably they are both part of the deception and evil of Babylon and also its curse.
We are bystanders, who are called to die for our faith against babylon, both of which
historically have happened at the hands of the RC church and Jerusalem. God encourages
us with these words

10 This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
Revelation 13

Whilst Israel the nation and Jews still openly blaspheme and mock Jesus as our Lord and Saviour - and fully deny that
Jesus is the son of God: I do not see Jerusalem and Judaism as Mystery Babylon.
They are still simply Jews blinded to the truth of Jesus until the times of the gentiles is fulfilled. (lucky us)
It is Rome that has distorted Christianity with all of its unscriptural doctrines, rituals, sun worship, Easter and Christmas,
worship of the saints, holy relics, pagan symbols, false miracles, worship of Mary, apparitions of Mary, etc, etc, etc …

However it is interesting that Jesus refers to Jerusalem as Sodom and Egypt > sexual perversions that are an abomination to God
and the worship of false gods and idols.
Hhhmmm what do Jews worship? Certainly not the true God of Israel, the God of salvation.
Money? Riches? Political power? Themselves as Jews, as God's chosen people (oh they still love that claim).
For the last 100 years plus Jews have been at the forefront of ultra progressive politics and liberal values > Marxism and Communism
> abortion > human rights > women's liberation > homosexual liberation > transgender rights > the destruction of Christian society


Tel Aviv is another "gay" capital like San Francisco and Sydney

Thats funny

Do you understand what a harlot is? A harlot or prostitute is a woman who a man goes to sleep with, Its called a false spouse. Or attempts to take place of the spouse

Once again, Israel PLAYED the harlot with Baal.

In this term, BAAL is the harlot. Isreal is the adulterer who slept with the harlot.

It is called the world system or the false religion. Jerusalem has never been the center of any false religious system. It is not the center of Islam. It is not the center of paganism, It is not the center of any worldwide religion. This alone PROVES she is not babylon, But it is not the only

John says babylon makes the world rich, No nation get rich off of Jerusalem. Or its system (Jerusalem is actually a city which is split 3 ways, Christian/jewish and Islam)

John says babylon influences world leaders. Jerusalem does no such thing

John says babylon, when she is destroyed, will be so catastrophic to the world. The people will mourn, No body would mourn if Jerusalem was destroyed (except Israel)

I can go on and on and on.

Well if its both Rome and Jerusalem or either one....

Why does it matter, well I suppose John wrote that to say 'come out of her' and not partake in her sins and you wont receive her plagues.

She had given her kingdom(s) to the beast. And it seems every saint and prophet that was killed was because of her.

Why so what, well without knowledge the people perish right? We are given wisdom to know what we up against. Its like taking mark of the beast. We know not to do it. We know its not a good thing

The other thing thats puzzling is there seem to be 17 kings in total who've commited fornication with her. Seven heads, ten horns, both of which represent Kings. Are these....the israelite kings?

The ten horns and the ten kings represent the ten tribes of Israel now known as Europeans and their offspring.
For example: Ephraim is Britain and his brother Manasseh is the U.S.A.
Dan are the Germanic peoples.
Zebulun are the Greeks.
Reuben the first born I think is Italy (Roman legacy).
Naphtali I believe are the French.

There are many books on this.

You probably can and do go on and on. In find it difficult to see anything funny about the verses I quoted A lot of what you say is your own interpretation of Scripture and a false understanding of Revelation. Revelation was written initially to first century Christians. It is comprised of symbols and figures derived from the Old Testament which they understood far better than 21st Century Westerners. In that book Israel/Jerusalem is called spiritual Egypt and Sodom. Jerusalem looks nothing like either place now or in Johns day. The Babylon he talks about is a spiritual Metaphor for an apostate Jerusalem. It stands in opposition to the new heavenly Jerusalem of God. I have never seen or heard of your definition of a harlot before. It sounds about right but Israel is called a number of things in the Bible such as Gods son,daughter,bride,wife,adulteress,harlot, fig tree,olive tree, mountain to list a few.

John never states plainly that Babylon represents Jerusalem but the circumstantial evidence points to it.

To our eyes. The (conspiracy?) theory is the Pope indirectly owns all (most) things, including governments (or the governments of the world are in debt, directly or indirectly, to Rome). Which is why the leaders of the world pay him homage, and heed his words. Of course, there are also theories that the Pope and Rome are just public puppets for who is pulling their strings (e.g. Masons, Jesuits or the Elders of the Protocols of Zion).

Daniel doesn't say that Christ's covenant is a 7 year covenant, he says that He will *confirm* the covenant with many for 1 week (1 x seven, or 1 x 7 x 7 = 49 years). This was through the gift of the Holy Spirit, which was poured out on many, as Peter said in Acts 2:16 - 21

No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
“‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Daniel 9:26 - 27
“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

So after Christ's death (~32AD), He confirmed His covenant with many for 1 seven (49 years) through the Holy Spirit. In the midst of the 49 years (with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD), He caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease, with the temple and even Jerusalem being made desolate by the abomination which caused desolation (the Roman army). Note that this doesn't mean that men didn't receive the Holy Spirit after the 49 years - the prophecy just states that He (Jesus) will confirm His covenant with many during the period after the one where "He was cut off, but not for Himself" and we know this is what happened (e.g. 3000 disciples added to their number on the Day of Pentecost).

If your argument requires that Daniel's prophecy has a gap in it, surely that makes it not much of a prophecy at all? The value and significance of Daniel's prophecy is that it predicted to the day when Jesus would make His triumphal entry into Jerusalem, hence why the people were celebrating His coming.

Matthew 21:19 Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying: “Hosanna to the Son of David! ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ Hosanna in the highest!”

Isreal has nto had a king since when?

Those are 17 nations (kings represent nations)

Also. Can someone name any other country other that Israel who has judaism as their national religion?

Why is it you want to continue to ignore things which are what they are?

An adulterer plays the harlot with the prostitute.

The prostitute does NOT play the harlot. SHE IS THE HARLOT.
Isreal played the harlot with Pagan Gods all throughout her history. She refused to follow HER God. Who gave her the land and ask for her obedience and trust in him, which she continually failed over and over.

Once again, ISREAL is not the harlot. Thus JERUSALEM is not the harlot. SHE PLAYED THE HARLOT with the TRUE harlot. As have many other nations. Babylonian religion spread worldwide, and STILL today has a HUGE following.

That is the harlot. NOT jerusalem.

You are doing the very thing you ac cuse me of doing. Your interpreting the word to fit your belief system. Not for what it is.

Ps. In the first century, according to people of Isreal who followed God (judaism or christian) ROME was the harlot. And the Caesar was the High Priest. Who demands the world worship him as GOD.

It certainly does (Rev 11v8) but you, like most others reject the clear revelation of Scripture became it doesn't fit with your man made theories!

Smh!!!!!

Rev 11: 8 is NOT BABYLON

Where do you people come up with this stuff??

Who is the Harlot according to rev 17?

1. Bears the representation of a harlot, or a prostitute (rev 17: 1-2, 15-16)

A prostitute attempts to take the place of a spouse. Isreal, who was not the harlot. But PLAYED the harlot with the Pagan Gods and religion which was founded in Babylon, (who tried to replace God). from hence it got its name

2. A leader in ecclesiastical affairs (rev 17: 2-5 )

A leader of the world in ecclesiastical affairs. Jerusalem is pretty much a local religion which is hated by the world. Remember, Spiritual fornication is an adherance to a false religious system. Although Isreal is doing this with judaism, It is not a leader in the worlds ecclesiastical affairs.

3. A leader is political affairs. (Rev 17:3)

It not only has power and political strength in other nations, She seems to be controlling the beast. For which it sits (which is WHY the beast must destroy her)

4. A system which has great wealth and influence (rev 17: 4)

Jerusalem once again, compaired to therichest nations, is not among the top nations, In fact, the vatican has a GPA which far surpass jerusalem, (who is not even the capitol city of Isreal)

5. System represents a state of Christendom which was at this point unrevealed (rev 17: 5) in that in Johns day it was called a mystery.

The system has been a great persecutor of the saints. (Rev 17: 6) Even today, Jews do not go around killing christians. Let alone have they had the power or done so for the past 2000 Plus years since Revelations was written. But yet John claims the harlot has done this,

7. The system is an organized system of worldwide scope (rev 17: 15
Once again, Isreal has no power. Her religion has no influence or power throughout the world. The harlot will be an organized religious system, which is very powerful and influential in the world.

8, the system is destroyed by the beast , so that his supremacy may not be threatened.
Her power must be destroyed, otherwise, She will withstand him once she realizes who he is.

9. The world will mourn when the harlot is destroyed.

No one will mourn if jerusalem was destroyed, because jerusalem has no power or influence over them, Nor does her riches make them fat and happy. This also precluded the USA from being the harlot. Once again, The world will rejoice, in fact they are trying to replace their currency so they do not have to rely on the US. Because the dolloar is to powerful. Which we are quickly headed that way.

There is NO WAY Jerusalem is the HARLOT. Once again, She does not fit the characteristics.

And this bull that I just believe this way because it does not fit man made theories. Thats a laugh, BECAUSE your theories are man made. Your saying a city which fits maybe 1 at most characteristics is the harlot. ..

Mystery Babylon is the roman catholic church.

Rev 17:6 - Rome persecuted the martyrs before

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Rev 18:24

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


Rev 17:9 - Rome is known as the city of seven hills

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The Antichrist is the pope.

Dan 11:37 - He is a jew and either a homosexual or someone who practices celibacy.


37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Dan 11:15 - He is a syrian jew. Syria is the king of the north and egypt is the king of the south.

15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.

Rev 13:2 - the leopard - note the skin color/yellow, black and white

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Jer 13:23 - He is african, asian, caucasian/the three major race-shem/ham/japheth

23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

There are plenty of catholics in Hollywood.