1 Corinthians 14 study guide

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Nehemiah6

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I wonder what those that think "perfect" has already come have to say about the two witnesses of Rev. 11. Are they going to make new prophecy?
No they will preach the Gospel to the Jews at that time, just like the flying angel (Rev 14) who will preach the everlasting Gospel to the whole world. "They shall prophesy" indicates that they will speak by divine revelation, and it will be the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The two witnesses are witnesses to Christ. Moses and Elijah met with Christ at His transfiguration and spoke about His exodus -- His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven. These two will preach Christ crucified, buried, and resurrected for the salvation of men. They will testify that He is the true Messiah and the Antichrist is a counterfeit. Their time on earth corresponds exactly with the time allotted to the Antichrist -- 1260 days, 42 months, 3 1/2 years.
 
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#62
that is you adding to scripture to support your suppositions.
Scripture does not state anything about NEW knowledge - stop adding to the word of God.
1Corinthians 13:8

agape ἀγάπη
Love
oudepote οὐδέποτε
never
piptei πίπτει ;
fails
eite εἴτε
if
δὲ
however
προφητεῖαι ,
[there are] prophesies
katargēthēsontai καταργηθήσονται ;
they will be done away
eite εἴτε
if
glōssai γλῶσσαι ,
tongues
pausontai παύσονται ;
they will be ceased
eite εἴτε
if
gnosis γνῶσις
knowledge
katargēthēsetai καταργηθήσεται .
it will pass away
yeah supernaturally given knowledge pal....and no need for it......and no need to respond...I have not bought into your drivel since the day I seen you butcher the gospel.....
 
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#63
that is you adding to scripture to support your suppositions.
Scripture does not state anything about NEW knowledge - stop adding to the word of God.
1Corinthians 13:8

agape ἀγάπη
Love
oudepote οὐδέποτε
never
piptei πίπτει ;
fails
eite εἴτε
if
δὲ
however
προφητεῖαι ,
[there are] prophesies
katargēthēsontai καταργηθήσονται ;
they will be done away
eite εἴτε
if
glōssai γλῶσσαι ,
tongues
pausontai παύσονται ;
they will be ceased
eite εἴτε
if
gnosis γνῶσις
knowledge
katargēthēsetai καταργηθήσεται .
it will pass away
The knowledge is in respect to prophecy. They go hand and hand. There is no new prophecy. We have the perfect face to face sealed with 7 seals until the end of time. .

Study to see what the sign confirms and the rest of the doctrine in regard to the manner of prophecy called tongues falls into place.
 

Tinkerbell725

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#64
The signs have gradually ceased after the transition period from the OT to church age was over. The apostles could no longer heal.

1 Tim 5:23

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Phil 2:26-30

26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.

27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.

29 Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:

30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.


Signs are for the jews.

2 Cor 1:22-24

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

2 Cor 5:7

(For we shall walk by faith not by sight.)

Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Matt 12:39

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:


Signs and wonders will be used by satan

Matt 24:24

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Thes 2:9

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


Speaking in tongues (audible language) should be interpreted

1 Cor 14:9 ,13-14,27

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

1 Cor 13:1

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Rev 14:6

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


Rev 16:5

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.


 

RickyZ

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#65
The signs have gradually ceased after the transition period from the OT to church age was over. The apostles could no longer heal.

1 Tim 5:23

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Phil 2:26-30

26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.

27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.

29 Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:

30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.


Signs are for the jews.

2 Cor 1:22-24

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

2 Cor 5:7

(For we shall walk by faith not by sight.)

Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Matt 12:39

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:


Signs and wonders will be used by satan

Matt 24:24

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Thes 2:9

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


Speaking in tongues (audible language) should be interpreted

1 Cor 14:9 ,13-14,27

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

1 Cor 13:1

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Rev 14:6

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


Rev 16:5

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.


The only thing that has caused the gifts to cease is unbelief.
 

Tinkerbell725

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#66
The only thing that has caused the gifts to cease is unbelief.

So the apostles stopped believing that's why they could not heal anymore? If they could still heal or bring people back to life, they could just have do that to the dead apostles.
 
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#67
The signs have gradually ceased after the transition period from the OT to church age was over. The apostles could no longer heal.

1 Tim 5:23

Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Phil 2:26-30

26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.

27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

28 I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.

29 Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:

30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.


Signs are for the jews.

2 Cor 1:22-24

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

2 Cor 5:7

(For we shall walk by faith not by sight.)

Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Matt 12:39

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:


Signs and wonders will be used by satan

Matt 24:24

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Thes 2:9

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


Speaking in tongues (audible language) should be interpreted

1 Cor 14:9 ,13-14,27

9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

1 Cor 13:1

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Rev 14:6

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


Rev 16:5

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.


The apostles could never heal. They were used temporally to show the world God does heal or is not served by human hands.

Served or worshipped in Acts 17 .This is where we get the word therapeutic (served) used once in the Bible. Translated worshipped in the King James. .We would never attribute the work to fleshly corrupted hands of the apostles that would cause them to blaspheme the Holy name by which we are called heavenward. .

God does not use dead things to represent eternal things not seen .

neither by the hands of men is He served -- needing anything, He giving to all life, and breath, and all things;Acts17:25

There are many different ideas as to what tongues actually is what the real purpose is of the sign . Look to the foundation of the doctrine Isaiah 28 and to its new testament counterpart 1 Corinthians 14:22-23 and once you confirm what and who the sign confirms then the rest of the doctrine fall into place and completes the puzzle as mystery hid in parables made known .

The sign to the whole world God mocking those who mock him in unbelief.

If a person refuses to look to the foundation in respect to tongues the newly introduced manner of prophecy .They would fit into the same pattern :. "Yet for all that they still refused to believe (no faith) in God" (twice) So that they can rather in replacement of believe the oral tradition of men who seek after a signs and wonder gospel. A sign that points to unbelief. Like those in Jerimiah 44: 16-17 .And yet for all that an evil they have not seen they make the word of God prophecy without effect. God sent them a strong delusion.

`The word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of Jehovah -- we are not hearkening unto thee;for we certainly do everything that hath gone out of our mouth, to make perfume to the queen of the heavens, and to pour out to her libations, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our heads, in cities of Judah, and in streets of Jerusalem, and -- we are satisfied with bread, and we are well, and evil we have not seen .Jerimiah 44: 16-17

Its simply a sign of unbelief to the whole word .God does not pit flesh against flesh. Jew aganist Gentile. Its all the same clay from the same field. Bound to get some marbelling affect.
 
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The only thing that has caused the gifts to cease is unbelief.
The only thing that has caused the supposed gifts seen to be blessings seen and not a curse, unseen... is unbelief. (no faith)

One a person separates a gift from a curse. A blessing is received .Study to seek the understanding as to what the sign confirms then the rest of the doctrine of tongues fall into its place as complete.

Do we need more evidence than the perfect word as the letter of the law that provide the perfect knowledge of God. Is there a law missing? New prophecy has ceased and along with it new knowledge, that comes from prophecy.

Need more?
 

Dino246

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#69
Do we need more evidence than the perfect word as the letter of the law that provide the perfect knowledge of God. Is there a law missing? New prophecy has ceased and along with it new knowledge, that comes from prophecy.

Need more?
Why do you continually post this hogwash?
 

Lafftur

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Why do you continually post this hogwash?
Oh, Dino! You are a joy! lol! :giggle:

It is always a pleasure to read your posts when you are responding to garee! So entertaining! lol! :love:

Some just have a wall of blindness and are unable to see. God loves all of us and knows how to open the blind eyes........ No worries! (It is kind of funny watching you argue with a blindman......:giggle:)
 
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Why do you continually post this hogwash?

LOL... Still waiting for you to confirm what the sign represents? Why do you continually put it off? Seems like you are sitting on the fence, ?

Two choices ..1) unbelief .........no faith
2) belief...…………. faith

Which master. Once you find the pearl then the rest of the doctrine falls into place. .
 
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Oh, Dino! You are a joy! lol! :giggle:

It is always a pleasure to read your posts when you are responding to garee! So entertaining! lol! :love:

Some just have a wall of blindness and are unable to see. God loves all of us and knows how to open the blind eyes........ No worries! (It is kind of funny watching you argue with a blindman......:giggle:)

Rrrr ...woof, woof LOl….

Really what makes you that have eyes that see as that which pronounces me blind? If Dino is not blind then how come he refuses to look as what the sign confirms and give his interpretation. .

What does the sign... "yet for all that they refuse to believe God" mean to you? Garee's a blind man?
 

Lafftur

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Oh, Dino! You are a joy! lol! :giggle:

It is always a pleasure to read your posts when you are responding to garee! So entertaining! lol! :love:

Some just have a wall of blindness and are unable to see. God loves all of us and knows how to open the blind eyes........ No worries! (It is kind of funny watching you argue with a blindman......:giggle:)
Rrrr ...woof, woof LOl….

Really what makes you that have eyes that see as that which pronounces me blind? If Dino is not blind then how come he refuses to look as what the sign confirms and give his interpretation. .

What does the sign... "yet for all that they refuse to believe God" mean to you? Garee's a blind man?
Oh garee, first let me say that you are so precious and loved by God so much! I know that you already know you are precious and loved by God but, I'm just letting you know that I know, too. :love:(y)

Your argument has been that the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not operate anymore and all we need is the Bible - The Word of God. Anyone that is currently operating in any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is lying and is a false teacher. This belief is a lie and is spiritual blindness.

It's okay if you want to be blind. I'm very sorry if I have offended you in any way. Have a nice day! :love:(y)
 

oyster67

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#74
The signs have gradually ceased after the transition period from the OT to church age was over. The apostles could no longer heal.
Tink, if you MUST believe in cessation, I still accept you as a much beloved sister. But please keep an open mind, and PLEASE never do what that man in the video did.
 

RickyZ

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#75
So the apostles stopped believing that's why they could not heal anymore? If they could still heal or bring people back to life, they could just have do that to the dead apostles.
Which shows a total misunderstanding of the purpose of the gifts.
 

RickyZ

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#76
The only thing that has caused the supposed gifts seen to be blessings seen and not a curse, unseen... is unbelief. (no faith)

One a person separates a gift from a curse. A blessing is received .Study to seek the understanding as to what the sign confirms then the rest of the doctrine of tongues fall into its place as complete.

Do we need more evidence than the perfect word as the letter of the law that provide the perfect knowledge of God. Is there a law missing? New prophecy has ceased and along with it new knowledge, that comes from prophecy.

Need more?
No. That's pretty much all I need to see that your lack of understanding is complete.
 

RickyZ

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#77
Rrrr ...woof, woof LOl….

Really what makes you that have eyes that see as that which pronounces me blind? If Dino is not blind then how come he refuses to look as what the sign confirms and give his interpretation. .

What does the sign... "yet for all that they refuse to believe God" mean to you? Garee's a blind man?
What is your obsession with signs? That is what blinds you to EVERYTHING ELSE.
 

RickyZ

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#78
Oh garee, first let me say that you are so precious and loved by God so much! I know that you already know you are precious and loved by God but, I'm just letting you know that I know, too. :love:(y)

Your argument has been that the gifts of the Holy Spirit do not operate anymore and all we need is the Bible - The Word of God. Anyone that is currently operating in any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is lying and is a false teacher. This belief is a lie and is spiritual blindness.

It's okay if you want to be blind. I'm very sorry if I have offended you in any way. Have a nice day! :love:(y)
What a nice way to tell someone they're full of it ;) !
 

RickyZ

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#79
Tink, if you MUST believe in cessation, I still accept you as a much beloved sister. But please keep an open mind, and PLEASE never do what that man in the video did.
And by all means, even if you do not believe in them, do NOT attribute them to satan and/or his minions.
 

RickyZ

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Tink and Garee, before you lodge your next protest, let me ask ... it's been shown to you a million times. Will showing it to you yet again prove any different?