Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

Simon Magus comes to mind when I listen to this nonsense.

Anyone with an ounce of understanding of the structure/function/patterns of language(s) knows incoherent/incomprehensible babble is simply that and not spiritual

I really think desiring power, and to manipulate the Holy Spirit is what so many in this movement are about.

Can you believe Bethel has the equivalent of Harry Potter's Hogwart's!? It even has a wizard-like name. Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry.

Simon Magus is very apropos for this bunch seeking powers, or they would call it "gifts".

Keep rubbing that Jesus lamp! Maybe He will bestow YOU with a great and wondrous gift!

Or.... You can just believe THE Gospel unto Salvation...

what is wrong with this post is :

1. the idea those who are Pentecostal would not find this offensive
2. the idea that this woman is in any way a is speaking of the Biblical Holy Spirit attributes
3. the idea this woman is in any way tied with all Pentecostal and in line with our doctrine

I find the assertion offensive. And she is clearly unbiblical and foolish in what she is saying in the video. And then use the video to attack all who speak in tongues is ridiculous.


"Anyone with an ounce of understanding of the structure/function/patterns of language(s) knows incoherent/incomprehensible babble is simply that and not spiritual "

that is your opinion just like the video of this woman you are both wrong. Acts 1:8 1cor chapter 12 to 14
Mark 16. Jesus our Lord is the authority in context to the Baptism of Holy Spirit as we know Jesus from what John the Baptist said in the gospel of John Jesus is the baptizer in the Holy Spirit. I do not need to post videos of foolish people who do not refute the very word of God. You use videos I will quote scripture.

Slow down there chief!

NONE of those assertions you posted can be found in my post. You are streeeetching my post to meet those accusations. In fact, tongues aren't even mentioned! Much less the name Pentecostal.

If it don't apply to you or your Church, don't try and make it fit.

Slow down there chief!

NONE of those assertions you posted can be found in my post. You are streeeetching my post to meet those accusations. In fact, tongues aren't even mentioned! Much less the name Pentecostal.

If it don't apply to you or your Church, don't try and make it fit.

I have actually researched the roots of these movements and it is far more complicated then most would bother to understand.

PennEd I know you are an honest man, so why would one post this video or why would the other person? The video if you did not know is used to mock and scoff those who are Spirit-filled and speak in tongues. Why do I say that?
What would you think after reading this?

"Anyone with an ounce of understanding of the structure/function/patterns of language(s) knows incoherent/incomprehensible babble is simply that and not spiritual "

the very same terms used in describing those of us who see the Gifts of the Holy Spirit recorded in 1cor chapter 12 to 14 being for today. FYI what does ANYONE mean to you? Anyone? I think you should have chosen your words more correctly.

"knows incoherent/incomprehensible babble is simply that and not spiritual "

Rather than look the roots of these movements. look to the foundation, as it is written in respect to the doctrine of tongues. It point to the work of the spirt in Acts 3 . It clearly informs us of what the sign confirms. Then the rest of the doctrine will fall into place .

If we have no idea what tongues are, as another manner of prophecy, as a mocking tool to those who make His tradition of Tongues with out effect by their oral tradition of men .How could we come to a agreement?

I say we begin in Isaiah 28 the root of the doctrine. ?

PennEd I know you are an honest man, so why would one post this video or why would the other person? The video if you did not know is used to mock and scoff those who are Spirit-filled and speak in tongues. Why do I say that?
What would you think after reading this?

"Anyone with an ounce of understanding of the structure/function/patterns of language(s) knows incoherent/incomprehensible babble is simply that and not spiritual "

the very same terms used in describing those of us who see the Gifts of the Holy Spirit recorded in 1cor chapter 12 to 14 being for today. FYI what does ANYONE mean to you? Anyone? I think you should have chosen your words more correctly.

"knows incoherent/incomprehensible babble is simply that and not spiritual "

this is what I understand you to say:










as usual

Well perhaps you can tell me exactly what are these languages? Are they angelic, are they earthly?
As far as I know there are two realities that we know about, the temporal and the spiritual.
I have yet to have receive an answer.

Its the signified eternal as spoken in verse 1 of Revelation 1. The kind of language or tongue of the gospel 3000 new born again soul heard it ….as it is written called prophecy. The new manner called tongues.

What else could it be. The gospel is the new tongues that followed all 3000 souls and is still doing it works of faith today giving men ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the denominations.

Look up to the things of God or look down to the things of men? One master.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Tongue (lingua) means a language....there is no separate meaning to the word aside from the actual physical tongue.

I shouldn't just assume people know who this person is. She is the daughter-in-law of Bill Johnson, Lead Pastor at Bethel Church in Redding California. Along with her husband Brian, they founded Bethel music.

It is hard to overstate just how huge and influential both Bethel Church, and Bethel music are. The number, and seriousness of heresies coming from this Church is staggering. It is important to understand that ALL of these big name Charismatic Churches are interconnected. They speak at each others Churches and conferences, they extol one another, and NONE of them call out the heresies of the others.
There are MORE, but these are some of the big names you've probably heard of, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Paula White, Rod Parsley, Todd White, T.D. Jakes, Jesse Duplantis, and although they may not come right out and say it like this woman, they all believe the Holy Spirit is like the Big Blue Genie in Aladdin.

I'd once again urge you to watch this Documentary, which is more about the correct Gospel than anything else, but does an awesome job of exposing the prosperity gospel, and how America is exporting this garbage to poor nations around the World:

Big difference it would seem between eternal spiritual not seen gifts, and literal as that seen the temporal gift that the eyes feast on

Who hopes for something they already have again, again, again and again as a way of keeping full. It would seem to reflect those in Hebrew 6 . Crucified Christ again and again Better things accompany salvation. He inform us he will not forget the good works we offer towards his name as the witness that confirms we have heard the gospel .Why some need a outside witness as their reward (show and tell) it remains a mystery .

but does an awesome job of exposing the prosperity gospel, and how America is exporting this garbage to poor nations around the World:

Well perhaps you can tell me exactly what are these languages? Are they angelic, are they earthly?
As far as I know there are two realities that we know about, the temporal and the spiritual.
I have yet to have receive an answer.

Well perhaps you can tell me exactly what are these languages? Are they angelic, are they earthly?
As far as I know there are two realities that we know about, the temporal and the spiritual.
I have yet to have receive an answer.