Born Again Speaking in Tongues

CS already laid it out but since it does not suit you to acknowledge that, you continue you on

it's your burr under your ill fitting saddle so just continue to buck

I lean biblical. you can call it whatever you want to make yourself feel superior though

I have yet to see CS1 confront these people personally. If he did, then I will appologize, because I am not so insecure in myself I can not admit I am wrong. As MST people here know.. All i have seen is him make a stement, then put red x’s on people who stand against these gospels.

As for you, we see you will not go to the guy and show him how he is wrong, and how he gives you a bad name, You would rather attack me (once again, Is laughable and people see it whether you think they do or not)

We see where your loyalties are. Your vendetta against me is laughable. So once again, I suggest you put me on ignore. All you do is make yourself look bad.

Your vendetta against me is laughable

As it was in the beginning ...
Just as the first church of the first century was Pentecostal with signs following and the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit
so again it is today in these last of last days - again as we rapidly approach the end of this world Jesus has revived his
Pentecostal church the same as he did in the beginning with signs following and the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit.

All over the world in these last days the race is on between Satan and Jesus. And while Satan is destroying mainstream
Christianity through liberalism and tolerance of heresies; Jesus is expanding his church through signs and miracles.
Pentecostal Holy Spirit revival is happening worldwide.

I spoke in tongues on the day I received the indwelling Holy Spirit.
23 years later and I still pray in tongues daily and often.

I have to laugh.

I guess some think they have proven something.

As I said before, I am done playing childish games,

Its always the same two people.. But whatever.

I guess we should understand it is NOT ok for us confront a person who teaches that the way to heaven is this way, If you do, you will get a “red x” a “ZZZ” or some other comment, And if you ask why you get the comment, You have three pages of the same old stuff over and over which has been goin gon here for over a year now.

Just got to laugh and move on.

Oh and just for the record.

1. I never accused seven of not confronting the people. Or said she did not. I was asking if she responded to that particular post. And still have not seen an answer.

2. I said I have never seen CS1 directly respond to a particular post or person directly, and she posts an open post CS1 made, that we do not even know if said person actually read his post because it was not directly written to him.

But I am the one who has issues

I can see it was a mistake to take her off ignore. So back she goes. It is just not worth it anymore, and I thank my brother for reminding me of this fact.

So another raging debate about tongues.

My experience is that when I was saved, I had the full Holy Spirit within me. That is Scriptural. We are not saved without the Holy Spirit within us.

I was filled with joy when God saved me. I started reading my Bible daily, praying, and my life was centred around Jesus.

My husband and I moved to Vancouver, and I met a guy in a laundromat who invited me to his church. It was charismatic. I heard strange things, and eventually learned it was speaking in tongues.

I was told constantly I need a second blessing, and to speak in tongues, which everyone did. Everyone told me it would make me closer to Jesus.

So, because if all the pressure, I started faking tongues. I didn't know I was faking, I thought it was real at that time. I didn't feel any different because I was already close to God! But it was pressure and nothing else.

We stayed in Pentecostal/charismatic churches for 15 years. The more I read the Bible, the shallower the preaching and doctrine seemed. It was always about Acts 2 and the other 4 or 5 places about speaking in tongues. I never heard about so many doctrines. Never heard the Bible systematically preached.

Then, some things happened which made me realize no one was really growing in Christ. We moved to an Evangelical Free church. I heard the Bible I was reading being preached. I was introduced to new ideas, doctrine and I realized what a lie the whole Charismatic Movement was. I realized how I had been led astray from the deep things of the Word and of God.

I am so blessed that God pulled me out of that cult. Because any group that says it has the only truth to be saved is a cult. I realize not every Pentecostal believes this, but it is the practice even. The AOG believes that people who don't speak in tongues. are second class Christians. That is the dogma followed in these churches. And pressure to get people to speak in tongues, like they are missing something, when in fact it is the charismatic/Pentecostal movement that is missing out on the whole truth of God.

I'm not a total cessationist. I know of a man who spoke 4 words in another tongue, which turned out to be Armenian, and there was s man in the meeting who was Armenian, and he wrote the words down, and the translation into English - "Jesus Christ is Lord." I think that if someone speaks on another teal language, or someone hears it in another real language AND they hearer gets saved, that is real! (And please don't start harassing me about private prayer, been there, done that for 15 years, and it simply is not real.)

Historically tongues passed away, I believe, even before the NT was complete. For what purpose were they resurrected in 1905? I think it was just another fad/peer pressure.

So, no need to explain what I am missing, or what happened in Acts and in the early church. Tongues are not normal today, and people would do well to walk away from "experiences" and get to know God for who he is, and not for the fun times babbling! God has given us a huge Bible. Read through it. Read in context and I guarantee you will find something very different that what is happening in all these tongue speaking churches!

So another raging debate about tongues.

My experience is that when I was saved, I had the full Holy Spirit within me. That is Scriptural. We are not saved without the Holy Spirit within us.

I was filled with joy when God saved me. I started reading my Bible daily, praying, and my life was centred around Jesus.

My husband and I moved to Vancouver, and I met a guy in a laundromat who invited me to his church. It was charismatic. I heard strange things, and eventually learned it was speaking in tongues.

I was told constantly I need a second blessing, and to speak in tongues, which everyone did. Everyone told me it would make me closer to Jesus.

So, because if all the pressure, I started faking tongues. I didn't know I was faking, I thought it was real at that time. I didn't feel any different because I was already close to God! But it was pressure and nothing else.

We stayed in Pentecostal/charismatic churches for 15 years. The more I read the Bible, the shallower the preaching and doctrine seemed. It was always about Acts 2 and the other 4 or 5 places about speaking in tongues. I never heard about so many doctrines. Never heard the Bible systematically preached.

Then, some things happened which made me realize no one was really growing in Christ. We moved to an Evangelical Free church. I heard the Bible I was reading being preached. I was introduced to new ideas, doctrine and I realized what a lie the whole Charismatic Movement was. I realized how I had been led astray from the deep things of the Word and of God.

I am so blessed that God pulled me out of that cult. Because any group that says it has the only truth to be saved is a cult. I realize not every Pentecostal believes this, but it is the practice even. The AOG believes that people who don't speak in tongues. are second class Christians. That is the dogma followed in these churches. And pressure to get people to speak in tongues, like they are missing something, when in fact it is the charismatic/Pentecostal movement that is missing out on the whole truth of God.

I'm not a total cessationist. I know of a man who spoke 4 words in another tongue, which turned out to be Armenian, and there was s man in the meeting who was Armenian, and he wrote the words down, and the translation into English - "Jesus Christ is Lord." I think that if someone speaks on another teal language, or someone hears it in another real language AND they hearer gets saved, that is real! (And please don't start harassing me about private prayer, been there, done that for 15 years, and it simply is not real.)

Historically tongues passed away, I believe, even before the NT was complete. For what purpose were they resurrected in 1905? I think it was just another fad/peer pressure.

So, no need to explain what I am missing, or what happened in Acts and in the early church. Tongues are not normal today, and people would do well to walk away from "experiences" and get to know God for who he is, and not for the fun times babbling! God has given us a huge Bible. Read through it. Read in context and I guarantee you will find something very different that what is happening in all these tongue speaking churches!

you have posted this story numerous times and the thread is not raging any more than any other thread where people disagree

how do we get to know God? there are many ways and the entire Bible is full of experiences people had while getting to know God or coming to believe in Him

how about Paul when he was still Saul? he sure had quite an experience when Jesus introduced Himself

how about any one of the disciples that Jesus picked by hand and how we see their personalities and the way they came to know Jesus both as a teacher and then as their risen Savior

how about when Peter stood up after the Holy Spirit had fallen and over 3000 came to salvation....the Bible states those people were 'pricked to the heart' when the Holy Spirit gave Peter the words and the power to be a witness

and literally hundreds of examples

when someone has a bad experience, they have to deal with it

God knows I have had to deal with a few myself

however, that does not change either the reality or the truth of the Bible in either testament

I would say sorry you suffered all that but I already have at least 6 times

I am not saying we do not have an experience when we come to Christ. I know I certainly did. God spoke to me in no uncertain terms, telling me he was the Saviour of the world, to follow him, and to repent of my evil ways, including drinking.

The problem, (if this becomes our spiritual walk - speaking in tongues),is 5, 10 or 15 years later, all we have are a few experiences, and we have not matured into the image of Christ. That happens by really digging deep in the Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to CHANGE and TRANSFORM us. That is the Scriptural progression from justification to sanctification.

"Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." Romans 12:1-2

Romans is the plan of salvation, from sinner through to worker for Christ. Not once is tongues mentioned. Instead, Paul emphasizes, like in other places, that we need to cooperate with the Holy Spirit, not by raving in unknown tongues, but rather by RENEWING OUR MINDS!

How do we renew our minds? By reading the Word, by studying the Word, and also by prayer, fellowship with our brothers and sisters, and certainly service to Christ. He is the King, there is no where in Scripture that suggests one chapter, or worse, one verse Acts 2:38 is the gospel. That is starting point, it is not the Christian walk.

I actually feel pity for people who are just stuck in this dead end where tongues are the be all and all. (I'm not saying this of every person who speaks in tongues, Gordon Fee certainly puts that myth to bed), but the majority of tongue speakers are just stuck, and it is so sad.

One thing that God did tell me, when he called me by name, was to read the Bible daily. I've always tried to keep to that - as well as studying the Bible, learning the original languages and hermeneutics. And the Holy Spirit is always there to lead and guide me. But he leads and guides me in the Word! Not in experiences.

There is nothing wrong with feeling joy in the Lord, or peace, or any other feeling. But, if these experiences become the end goal, then I believe Satan has won his battle. Anything that keeps you away from transforming your mind, and being transformed into the image of Christ, or till Christ is formed in you, is not from God.

"My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you," Gal. 4:19

"And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18

We do not transform our minds by speaking in tongues, but rather, by studying, memorizing and reading the Word. The lie I am fighting has left people dead while shouting at the top of their lungs utter nonsense. God wants everyone to find their gifts, as per Romans 12:3-8. The fruits of the Spirit are given though the Holy Spirit, but not by standing around patting themselves on the back that all they need to do is speak in tongues. Instead, the Holy Spirit wants us serving God, and one another. The Holy Spirit wants us to be on mission with God, spreading the REAL gospel, the one in 1 Corinthians.

"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve.6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born." 1 Cor. 15:1-8

If you believe that you need to be baptized in water to be saved, or speak in tongues to be saved, or even to experience the fullness of God, you have not been reading what Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles wrote above. The witness is to the cross and the resurrection, not to speaking in tongues on the day of Pentecost. That is a false gospel. Tongues were given as a sign that the Holy Spirit would accompany each believer from that day first. It was the promise fulfilled that Jesus would send the Paraclete, and the church would be born. Anything else is adding to the gospel.

The problem, (if this becomes our spiritual walk - speaking in tongues),is 5, 10 or 15 years later, all we have are a few experiences, and we have not matured into the image of Christ. That happens by really digging deep in the Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to CHANGE and TRANSFORM us.

No,most tongue talkers are on fire for God.
You haven't a clue

Why do you put your shortcomings and failures onto everybody else?
And you cannot transform or renew your mind but by praying in tongues and allowing the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit to
work within your heart and soul > for out of your heart does your mind speak.

Shame on you. You do not teach the truth and you endeavor to impeach those who do.
You cannot pray in tongues. Praying in tongues is a fabricated activity not found in the bible.

And you as usual keep on posting complete drivel ...
you know nothing about the Holy Spirit.

You cannot pray in tongues. Praying in tongues is a fabricated activity not found in the bible.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

For the cause of Christ
Roger