Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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Jackson123

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stonesoffire said:
Yes, I do. I believe the fall of the angels was in a prior age. Man was affected. How I don’t know but definitely affected by the fall of those beings.
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Is this you believe?

First man, create was not in cold/ ice, than ice age, that kill all man, than God create another man
 
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stonesoffire said:
Yes, I do. I believe the fall of the angels was in a prior age. Man was affected. How I don’t know but definitely affected by the fall of those beings.
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Merrill Unger wrote in his thesis titled "Biblical Demonology" that demons are the ghosts of the fallen angels that were killed in the flood. Angeles were flesh and blood. Why else would the men of Sodom want to rape them? And how did Jacobs hip get dislocated by wresting with one?
 
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calibob said:
Many scholars believe that Genesis began as literary work by Enoch. He is credited as the inventor of the written word however, God took him and Moses finished the project.
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I communicated with a young boy for a time on Facebook, from Iraq. He was trying to discourage me from my beliefs. (Silly boy). They are being taught to do this in their schooling. Anyway, he said that his country was where written language began.

Makes me wonder if Enoch could of been there.
 
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stonesoffire said:
I communicated with a young boy for a time on Facebook, from Iraq. He was trying to discourage me from my beliefs. (Silly boy). They are being taught to do this in their schooling. Anyway, he said that his country was where written language began.

Makes me wonder if Enoch could of been there.
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The bread basket of humanity and the Garden of Eden were somewhere in or near the Persian Gulf. That's where agriculture began.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Do you have a bible verse that support your believe?
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I already wrote where it’s seen Jackson. In Hebrew there is seen a recreation between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

I am not a Hebrew scholar so I cannot tell all that speaks this. But, I do trust the Hebrew scholars. There’s much we would understand in a greater measure if we knew the language.

It just makes sense to me.
 
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stonesoffire said:
The earth was turned upside down?
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What would you call an earth that was perfect in every way, Suffering the results of the fall.

I would call that turning the earth upside down.
 
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stonesoffire said:
I believe the age prior to the present perished with cold.

The recreation began with Adam and Eve.
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Why would God kill off a perfect earth, just to recreate it?

I believe all answers concerning the science that has to do with the age of the earth can be answered by the flood, Including the ice age.
 
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calibob said:
Merrill Unger wrote in his thesis titled "Biblical Demonology" that demons are the ghosts of the fallen angels that were killed in the flood. Angeles were flesh and blood. Why else would the men of Sodom want to rape them? And how did Jacobs hip get dislocated by wresting with one?
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That’s a bit different from what I was taught bob. I was taught that demons are the disembodied spirits of the people of the past age. That angels do not possess men.

Just cast them out whatever they be. 😉
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Why would God kill off a perfect earth, just to recreate it?

I believe all answers concerning the science that has to do with the age of the earth can be answered by the flood, Including the ice age.
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It wasn’t perfect after the fall of the angels. It was created perfect in the beginning. But with Adam and Eve it was a garden they were in.
 
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Genesis 1:27 So God created 1254 created bara man 120 man ha a dam in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed 3335 formed yatsar man 853 120 et ha a dam of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Can you SEE the difference? Do you look at things like this and ask yourself "Is God trying to get my attention, and direct my thoughts somewhere deeper?" Of course you wouldn't ask that question if you were a brand new baby Christian. But if you are maturing in the Word then the "here a little, there a little" would start kicking in. You know, the first time God takes the knowledge and wisdom you have been diligently seeking out and gives you a revelation of truth, you are from that point on, captured.

IF you were to HEAR it out loud, would it SOUND different? If it looked and sounded different, what would possess you to keep saying "no, it is the same"? Pride, Ignorance, Sottish.

COULD it be, when we are asked the question "DO YOU have eyes to see and ears to hear, it could be JUST THAT SIMPLE? Could God just change a word here and there for such wisdom? I say YES, He DOES.
 
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stonesoffire said:
It wasn’t perfect after the fall of the angels. It was created perfect in the beginning. But with Adam and Eve it was a garden they were in.
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Yes, that is part of the Gap theory which I started to believe when I was 16 until about 10 years ago when I went to the creation museum and started to study the flood and other aspects. At whcih point, I questioned and eventually changed my view. Because I had to look at how they reuted the evidence whihc supported that theory, and could no longer hold that view.
 
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stonesoffire said:
That’s a bit different from what I was taught bob. I was taught that demons are the disembodied spirits of the people of the past age. That angels do not possess men.

Just cast them out whatever they be. 😉
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It was only something I read while on duty at the Suicide Hotline. What ever they are they need to be cast out in Jesus name and by the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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DeighAnn said:
Genesis 1:27 So God created 1254 created bara man 120 man ha a dam in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed 3335 formed yatsar man 853 120 et ha a dam of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Can you SEE the difference? Do you look at things like this and ask yourself "Is God trying to get my attention, and direct my thoughts somewhere deeper?" Of course you wouldn't ask that question if you were a brand new baby Christian. But if you are maturing in the Word then the "here a little, there a little" would start kicking in. You know, the first time God takes the knowledge and wisdom you have been diligently seeking out and gives you a revelation of truth, you are from that point on, captured.

IF you were to HEAR it out loud, would it SOUND different? If it looked and sounded different, what would possess you to keep saying "no, it is the same"? Pride, Ignorance, Sottish.

COULD it be, when we are asked the question "DO YOU have eyes to see and ears to hear, it could be JUST THAT SIMPLE? Could God just change a word here and there for such wisdom? I say YES, He DOES.
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Been a christian for over 40 years.

Believed in the Gap theory for about 30 years (it was what I was taught, and I had no reason to question what I was taught)

About ten years ago. I started seeing things which caused me to question what I was taught

Studied hard and long with an open mind for a few years.

Repented (change my mind) of my belief in the GAP theory and became convinced of a young earth with 7 24 hour days of creation.
 
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Dabbling in Sorcery (which is drugs), Astrology, Witchcraft, Tarot cards, divination, Spiritism (which is necromancy), Voodoo and the like is an "open house" sign for evil invaders like demons or other kinds of spooks. Remember what Happened to King Saul! He was only fortunate it was the ghost of Samuel that cursed him.
 
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DeighAnn

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eternally-gratefull said:
Been a christian for over 40 years.

Believed in the Gap theory for about 30 years (it was what I was taught, and I had no reason to question what I was taught)

About ten years ago. I started seeing things which caused me to question what I was taught

Studied hard and long with an open mind for a few years.

Repented (change my mind) of my belief in the GAP theory and became convinced of a young earth with 7 24 hour days of creation.
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When you believed in Gap theory what scriptures did you use for that belief?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
One of the fallacies of modern men is to assume that the ancients were illiterate savages. The opposite is the case, and human civilizations were established on earth both before and after the Flood. Indeed they were extremely advanced in many cases.

In any even, illiteracy has nothing whatsoever to do with the false idea that there are two creation accounts in Genesis. That is a product of unbelief. You can take the whole of chapter 2 and properly harmonize it into chapter 1. But God wanted to focus on his relations with mankind immediately, and so we also find that while chapter 1 speaks only of Elohim (God) chapter 2 speaks of YHWH (Yahweh) Elohim (the LORD God). That is how God revealed Himself to man.
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I do not believe Bob was referring to the ancients, as you have assumed, but the literacy rate of people much closer in time to us, from just before the invention of the printing press, when Roman Catholicism held sway and promoted their many perversions of Scripture, which the common man would know little of given their illiteracy.
 
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calibob said:
7 x 24=168 hours, right? But what happened the next day?.
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The scriptures don't specifically speak of day eight or refer to an eighth day, to speak on it would be imaginations or hear-say from a source outside Gods inspired written preserved word.
 
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