Was Adam and Eve a newer creation than genesis 1?

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calibob

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I believe that Genesis 1 and gen. 2 were two different creations. The NIV is a translation, not a paraphrase.

KJV 1611; Genesis 1:29-31 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.2Genesis 2:1-9 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

NIV 1974; Genesis 1:29-31 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so. 31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.2:1-9 1Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. 4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. 5Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. 8Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Adam was a newer, more special creation than before. Created for the purpose of tending to Gods garden with new rules. Adam & Eve and their descendants may have replaced the earlier primates that were later destroyed by the flood.
 
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My view.....there are allusions to the fact that it is a renovation in Genesis 1 and 2....not something we can stand on dogmatically.....and for sure I believe the verbiage proves that Satan had already fallen and was HERE during the events of Genesis 1 and 2 <--overlooked by most while believing the word GOOD means our modern usage of GOOD
 

calibob

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My view.....there are allusions to the fact that it is a renovation in Genesis 1 and 2....not something we can stand on dogmatically.....and for sure I believe the verbiage proves that Satan had already fallen and was HERE during the events of Genesis 1 and 2 <--overlooked by most while believing the word GOOD means our modern usage of GOOD
Then feel free to expound on good please. We know he was already here in two. But when did he get here and does it matter? I can only wonder.
 
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Then feel free to expound on good please. We know he was already here in two. but when did he get here and does it matter? I wonder.
Oh I believe he was here before God began to renovate/create based upon the verbiage in verse 1....and I believe if that fact is true it gives weight to the other possibilities.....will expand tomorrow maybe.......getting a little lazy AHAH
 

Nehemiah6

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I believe that Genesis 1 and gen. 2 were two different creations. The NIV is a translation, not a paraphrase.
You've fallen into another trap into which many have fallen.

GENESIS 1 -- THE OVERVIEW OF CREATION

GENESIS 2 -- DETAILS REGARDING THE CREATION OF MAN

And the NIV is indeed a paraphrase of the Bible. But that is another subject regarding paraphrased perversions.
 

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Yeah the way I read it he created Adam and Eve in Chapter 1, then Chapter 2 goes into more detail.

“Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/111/gen.2.1.niv
 

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Hi @calibob, I agree with @Nehemiah6 & @Skyline, Genesis 1 looks at the 6 days of Creation in a general way, while Genesis 2 is a far more specific continuation, it's focus being principally on our progenitors.

~Deut
 

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And the NIV is indeed a paraphrase of the Bible. But that is another subject regarding paraphrased perversions.
The NIV is no more a paraphrase than the KJV.

I know you have your favourite, but don't be ridiculous.
 

calibob

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Yeah the way I read it he created Adam and Eve in Chapter 1, then Chapter 2 goes into more detail.

“Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/111/gen.2.1.niv
Hi @calibob, I agree with @Nehemiah6 & @Skyline, Genesis 1 looks at the 6 days of Creation in a general way, while Genesis 2 is a far more specific continuation, it's focus being principally on our progenitors.

~Deut
Well that's the traditional way of looking at it. But I question tradition because before Gutenberg were largely illiterate. They thought the earth was flat and persecuted Galileo. If my theory is correct it would explain where Adam and Eve's daughter in laws came from and unless Angels or demons mated with humans who were the Son's of God and the daughters of men. I'll wait for @dcontroversal He has a good understanding of the older texts. But thanks for your 2 bits worth.
 

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Well that's the traditional way of looking at it. But I question tradition because before Gutenberg were largely illiterate. They thought the earth was flat and persecuted Galileo. If my theory is correct it would explain where Adam and Eve's daughter in laws came from and unless Angels or demons mated with humans who were the Son's of God and the daughters of men. I'll wait for @dcontroversal He has a good understanding of the older texts. But thanks for your 2 bits worth.
Maybe I’m not following (I’m new) but Adam died at 930 years of age. A man can have LOTS of kids by then. The gene pool was pure then for the kids to marry.

When I read this, I see his wife being related. All mankind came from Adam and Eve.

“Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/111/gen.4.17.niv

“After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:4‬ ‭NIV‬‬
https://www.bible.com/111/gen.5.4.niv
 

calibob

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Well that's the traditional way of looking at it. But I question tradition because before Gutenberg the people were largely illiterate. Tradition could be wrong. I'll wait for @dcontroversal[/USER] He has a good understanding of the older texts. But thanks for your 2 bits worth.
 

DeighAnn

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WE KNOW the earth was formed to be inhabited, and we do because God tells us so in

Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. BUT THEN IN

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. WE know something changed it from "being inhabited" to "without form and void".

WAS 1961 hayah: to fall out, come to pass, become, be

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (And Satan was Lucifer, the bright and morning star) (And something went wrong) (And when we get to the garden he isn't referred to as Lucifer no more)
Genesis 1:2 And the earth BECAME without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

And on the 6th day
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE AND FEMALE HE CREATED he them.

Take note. God has to write a letter FOR everyone. He has got to stick a lot of information into it. It has to be understood the first time, and has got to contain information at the 500th time.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
God tells us that there are truths in His Word that He will make known to us. And as many who have studied the Word for a long time can attest to, until HE DOES, there are truths so simple they stare you right in the face, but until that moment HE wants to reveal it, you don't see anything. I think this is the biggest reason for all the arguments today. Everyone has their truth at the level they are at, and you can plant a seed of more in depth knowledge but till GOD waters it, there are not enough words created for another man to explain it. So, some will agree, others will not agree. I am cool with either way as my only job is to plant seeds, I do not make them grow.

So on the 6th day, Male and female He created, be fruitful and multiply and REplenish the earth. Next day He rested. So for those two thousand years we have all the "ethnos" doing just that. Cultures all seems to go back about 8 thousand years. You will notice no where in anyone's history is there ever mention of a "NEW RACE" showing up. NO WHERE.

Any how we come to Day 8.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Genesis 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
Genesis 2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
Genesis 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
Genesis 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Genesis 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

Chapter 1 Male and female created
be fruitful and multiply
RE plenish the earth

Chapter 2 JUST a man formed,
put in a garden,
ADAM given the warning OF DEATH,
names all the fowls of the air, and the beasts of the field and every living creature can you imagine how long that took?

And finally at 2:22 WomaN.

What would be the reason for a difference?
This is the History of the Bible the record kept for the prophesies. This is the History of Christ. This is the bloodline of our Lord and Savior.
 

Nehemiah6

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Well that's the traditional way of looking at it. But I question tradition because before Gutenberg were largely illiterate.
What does Guteberg or tradition have anything to do with this?

Long before Gutenberg the Jews had a complete Hebrew Bible called the Tanakh, and the Torah was (to them) the most important portion of the Bible. Genesis is the first book in the Torah (called the Law of Moses by Christ), and all Jews, as well as Christ and the apostles, fully accepted it as divine revelation -- the words were given to Moses by God.

So in fact God is the Author of Genesis. And Moses was by no means illiterate (which reveals that you are somewhat ignorant about ancient civilizations, and how Moses was brought up as a prince in Egypt and was a learned man: Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. (Heb 11:26)

The plain literal understanding of Genesis 1 and 2 is that the first chapter is an overview and the second chapter focuses on Adam and God's relationship to man (represented by Adm). Any attempt to circumvent this understanding is contrary to the Word of God, since Christ fully accepted the creation account as it is written.
 

DeighAnn

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What does Guteberg or tradition have anything to do with this?

Long before Gutenberg the Jews had a complete Hebrew Bible called the Tanakh, and the Torah was (to them) the most important portion of the Bible. Genesis is the first book in the Torah (called the Law of Moses by Christ), and all Jews, as well as Christ and the apostles, fully accepted it as divine revelation -- the words were given to Moses by God.

So in fact God is the Author of Genesis. And Moses was by no means illiterate (which reveals that you are somewhat ignorant about ancient civilizations, and how Moses was brought up as a prince in Egypt and was a learned man: Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. (Heb 11:26)

The plain literal understanding of Genesis 1 and 2 is that the first chapter is an overview and the second chapter focuses on Adam and God's relationship to man (represented by Adm). Any attempt to circumvent this understanding is contrary to the Word of God, since Christ fully accepted the creation account as it is written.
 

DeighAnn

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Tells us this is Noahs Flood
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

So when is this?

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, PERISHED:
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


The earth still had form for Noahs flood, and the heavens had light light, and of course there was Noah, so when was this event being spoken of here?

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was NO MAN, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
 

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So in fact God is the Author of Genesis. And Moses was by no means illiterate (which reveals that you are somewhat ignorant about ancient civilizations, and how Moses was brought up as a prince in Egypt and was a learned man: Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. (Heb 11:26.
It seems you are without knowledge regarding the meaning of the word "largely." :oops::censored:
... I question tradition because before Gutenberg were largely illiterate.
 

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I believe that Genesis 1 and gen. 2 were two different creations. The NIV is a translation, not a paraphrase.

KJV 1611; Genesis 1:29-31 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.2Genesis 2:1-9 1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

NIV 1974; Genesis 1:29-31 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food." And it was so. 31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning-the sixth day.2:1-9 1Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. 4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the LORD God made the earth and the heavens. 5Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. 8Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9The LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Adam was a newer, more special creation than before. Created for the purpose of tending to Gods garden with new rules. Adam & Eve and their descendants may have replaced the earlier primates that were later destroyed by the flood.
If so where first Adam, why use same name?
 
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As with alot of the OT, WHat you have is to versions of the same account

VS 1 and 2 is Moses telling us God created the heavens and the earth. And shows us the earth in its origional state.

The rest show us a deeper detail of crreation. And how the earth went from its origional state until its completed state, including the creation of life.
 

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There is a big gap of billions of years between the creation of the earth and the life of Adam and Eve who were living in the Bronze Age and who mark the beginning of Jewish history. They were not the first people ever, not by a long chalk. They just happened to be living at a time when people/nations were learning to write.

Remember the Old Testament is about the Jews only. It is not a history of the world.