Do you want the truth? Here is the truth about eschatology

If you are planning to book an air ticket, so that you can fly to Israel from Canada or wherever, to hide on some mountain because Jerusalem has been surrounded by armies.

You are making a logical error when you assume that since the flood was global that 2 Peter 3:10-13 is global. There is nothing that necessitates that conclusion other than it sounds logical to the human mind that doesn't understand the nature of apocalyptic verses. It is not global.

If so then and he saw the third wall built(ad66) and then was sent to Patmos that would make it even later if he wrote it while on Patmos.

sort of a let down; i had the picture that it would be better than the old one.
but here we are, all creation in frustration waiting for the sons of God to appear, people dying and sinning and decaying all over, lions eating lambs, no one seeking God, everyone astray chasing after their own ways, vain as always, vain, vain, vain.

and this is heaven, you say?

I really do not think that is what is being stated.... the age of the old covenant came to an end and we are in a new covenant age...it is more about viewing Jesus as victorious over sin,offering a new life, defeating Satan.....this is why the Gospel is so important to get out to the world.

And easy enough to figure out who exiled him and a generalized time frame....AFTER 70 A.D......so...use the church at Ephesus as a guide for timing....when did Paul preach at Ephesus....and then give them xx amount of time to grow, mature, serve and then reach the point of losing authority because of their fall in position........not hard to figure out that Revelation was written AFTER 70 A.D.

Much evidence to the opposite.

Do you believe that because of Irenaeus? The same guy who thought Jesus was 50 years old when He was crucified. Irenaeus' statement in the Greek is completely ambiguous.

i thought most of the evidence and the overwhelming historical view is Revelation written in the early to mid 90's ?

like,
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/bible-difficulties-2/nt-difficulties/jude/date-of-revelation/

i guess i should go read opposing articles. but i want to catch up on this thread first

I think your conclusions are somewhat fanciful Walldorf.

John stated he was to measure the temple that was current in his time:

(Rev 11:1 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. )

How could he be told to measure a temple after it was destroyed?

Please read these verses and tell me what they all have in common:

Matt 10:23, Matt 16:27-28, Matt 24:34, Mark 8:38-9:1, Mark 13:30, Luke 9:26-27, Luke 21:31-32, 1 Peter 4:7, James 5:8, 1 John 2:18, Rev 1:1, Rev 1:3, Rev 22:6, Rev 22:7, Rev 22:10, Rev 22:12, Rev 22:20.

Then we have these verses that use the Greek word "mello" (G3195 Strong's Concordance) in the present infinitive which always implies IMMINENCE. The word is often translated "will" in English because of the translators false presuppositions. It should be translated in English "about to". The verses are:

Rev 1:19, Acts 17:31, Acts 24:15, 2 Timothy 4:1, 1 Peter 5:1, James 2:12, Heb 10:27, Acts 28:6

Then you have Daniel. He is given a 70 weeks prophecy for his people and his city (Dan 9:24). Daniel Chapters 10-12 give details about that 70 weeks. At the end of that 70 weeks in Daniel 12 we find this:

Daniel 12:4, "seal up the book until the time of the end" Revelation 22:10 says, "Don't seal for the time is at hand"

Daniel 12:7, "when the power of the holy people is completely shattered all will be fulfilled" This occurred with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

Daniel 12:13, Daniel is told he will rise to his inheritance at the end of the days (see also Matt 25:34). Jesus said all who believed in Him He would raise on the last day (John 6:39,40,44,54) This was the last day of old covenant Israel in 70 AD and is what Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy is about. His people and their city.

And finally...Matt 5:17-18. Make sure you read that with Luke 21:22. Jesus came to fulfill everything written in the Law and Prophets. When all was fulfilled it would pass away. The book of Hebrews, written in the 60's AD, says the law was "ready to pass away" (Heb 8:13).

Jesus said not one jot or tittle could pass until everything was accomplished. This happened with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the end of old covenant Israel. We have been living in the new heavens and earth (not a physical place) for 2,000 years. God bless you.

According to your eschatology:

"meet the new boss
same as the old boss"

Won't Get Fooled Again.

I have access to all journals

does he ever write about actually measuring it?

There is a dissertation on this .... I have access to all journals I will see if I can find it ...it may have some valuable historical data.

ALL JOURNALS

that reminds me of a want-ad my friend and i saw in the paper one day, looking for work. it was for a sewing machine operator: "..must be skilled in all types of alterations.."

ALL TYPES OF ALTERATIONS

we thought it was sinister and didn't apply. but i'd like to access ALL JOURNALS - lots of interesting stuff

Are you saying there is a diss-ertation on the book (Endless Hope or Hopeless End: The Bible and the End of Human History) or the artickle?