Born Again Speaking in Tongues

I did sister😀 i did. Thats why i come to this thoughts.

And itis not interesting that you cant find this teaching in the early church?
You can find tonguespeaking, but not this pentecostal/ charismatic teaching.

One gospel is correct. Spiritual gifts are also correct. Speaking or praying in tongues is not correct. 1 Cor is a letter of correction to a church that was out of order according to the apostle. Todays church wants to act like the church in Corinth and they are no more correct today than those in Corinth in the first century.

Many seek Christ not for truth but for excitement. The sweet token God has given us is His unchanging word. His Spirit leads and guides us into His truth. Truth ought to delight our souls far beyond anything else in this world. The word is how we know the nature and person of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Truth is truth. God can use a unbeliever to bring his gospel truths just as easily as a Atheist .He is not served by human hands as a will

Tongues is one of the many manners God brought prophecy the word of God scripture as it is written. Giving us a cognitive understanding of one that dwell in the heart of new creatures. Or one source of Christian faith coming from God not seen.

Non cognitive would be any ohter source that atempts to bring in information Jesus set the patern in the wilderness when a lying spirit from within the fleshly mind of Jesus attempted to draw the Son of man from the the Father , The father put his words on the lips of the Son of man and all three times said as it is written Experience which is becoming the new gospel is not the validator of unseen spiritual truth. . . . . . . as it is written. . . . . . . alone is.

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Ask your self . Where does Christian thought come from ?

It was not my goal to offend you or play games .Sorry for the mannerism. My hope was to defend that which defends us. It seems you are looking for a alternative source of faith?

You wrote What is the new tongue that can drive out lying spirits? I say the gospel?

That isn't what non-cognitive means... at all. Once again, you are making up a definition for a term with which you are unfamiliar. Just look it up.

Please provide actual quotations of things that I have written that give you that idea.


Where do you get the idea that "the new tongue... can drive out lying spirits"?

So when Cornelius and his companions spoke in tongues, they were out of order. Hmm... Peter didn't say anything about that. Maybe because it wasn't out of order.

Since Cornelius was not in the church at Corinth you assertion is meritless. Greedy Gentiles at Corinth were abusing the goodness of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes the "non-cognitive" might be descriptive of the "automaticity" of the behaviour.

The common quality is automaticity, the experience of the activity being performed by itself.

Also,

Unlike people engaged in “attention-focusing tasks” like mindful meditation, people speaking in tongues while being scanned showed decreased cerebral blood flow activity in the prefrontal cortices.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17046214

So it was the church in Corinth that was out of order, not 'speaking in tongues' that was out of order? Consider carefully before answering.

"Greedy Gentiles"? Where do you get that 'meritless' assertion?

Yes, exactly - you don't consciously think about it or really give it any thought; you just do it.

Hi thanks for the reply

I get that idea it would seem by your supporting another opinion of one those who do not answer questions, those who look to experience to confirm something they perform. I am trying to establish the mutual foundation of the tongue doctrine. Its foundation would seem it is all but destroyed in favor of a new experience wonderment gospel. a source of mysticism (not as it is written the true source of Christian faith )

What does the sign represent according to the law established in Isaiah 28 written in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23. It is the law of signs. Sign are for those who believe not, no faith, the rebellious .Prophecy the tongue of God. The Christians one true source of faith. . . for those who believe God through prophecy (not through signs after what the eyes see the temporal. .

If you follow the misunderstanding that tongues are unknown sounds then: boo, peep or eeek could drive out lying spirits. In His name or authority is the word of God. . . the new tongue given to the believer. . the gospel will drive them out.

Mark 16:17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues

Again if it not the new tongue.Then what is that drives them out as that the disciples could not drive out?

In the beginning was the word. not unknown sounds. Words develop speech and communication as a law of understanding. .

I would think there are two possible sources by which we could believe another not seen. as one who brings thoughts into our fleshly minds. Words not sounds brought to our memory that he has taught us, words that give understanding. . One of the promised functions of the Holy Spirit our comforter and teacher..

Words draw pictures of our understanding. Visions that appear by an unknown source are illusions of things not seen. Coming from the imagination of ones hard heart. They can puff oneself up as a wonderment or will worship. . . . voluntary humility to a unknown source. I willed it I did it. ... But in the end they bite like the poison of a false gospel

In Mathew 4 when the father of lies causes a illusion bringing a vision into the mind of Jesus . . . sign as lying wonder . Some call it out of the body or direct a dream .The father strengthened the Son and put the words. . . as it is written. . . three times in the mouth of Jesus . Three denotes the end of the matter. No strong delusion was sent to Jesus to beleive the lie. He confirmed the one source of faith as it is written

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.Colossian2:18-23

Once again, you would do well to take a course in basic English grammar. Sometimes it is quite difficult to determine the meaning of your word collections.

I believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are all active today. It's really that simple.

What does the sign represent? That God is at work today!

Regarding the driving out of unclean spirits, the sentence structure precludes your interpretation. It does not say that tongues will cast out devils; rather, it says that the believers will cast out devils.

Yes they are all active today with what we do have. . . the whole revealed will of God , the perfect law sealed up till the end of time.

Some are looking for a alternative source of faith to confirm something .

I know God is at work. I meant the sign of tongues spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14; 22-23 . the sign of ; yet for the prophecy of the word of God they will not believe in a God not seen . That sign. What does it confirm .

And yes believers cast them out with the new tongue. the gospel . Not by the toe of their sandals . Not like the disciples they tried to cast them out without the gospel .They refused to vacate the premises'.

Greedy Gentiles ae those who sought not the truth of Gods word but the excitement of miracles and tongues. Babes in Christ carried away with their own earthly passions.

1 Corinthians is clearly a letter of correction to the church at Corinth. They had many issues in the church not the least of which was the man living in sin with his fathers wife and the church tolerating the arrangement. They were making the Lords supper a meal in which folks were getting drunk and perverting the holy elements of the ordinance. This group of believers abused the gifts of the Holy Spirit and were trying to speak in tongues of their own volition and not the moving of the Holy Spirit.

Cornelius had the correct and proper attitude toward God and holiness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes - the way I like to explain it on occasion is that "tongues" are not gibberish - gibberish does not try to mimic real language; glossolalia does.

The "non-cognitive" part of the term "non-cognitive non-language utterance" (NC-NLU) is, as I mentioned, perhaps a bit of a misnomer. I tend to think that the person who coined the term (not me) meant it in the sense that either the speaker isn't really consciously thinking about what s/he is producing, and/or the language producing centers of the brain aren't going to be used all that much in its production (as the often quoted Univ. of Penn. study done several years ago demonstrated). In a way, it's a bit like when you blink your eyes during the normal course of a day; there's no real conscious thought process involved - it's just done. In that sense it can be said to be essentially a "non-cognitive" process. I think that's the gist of the "NC" part of NC-NLU.

I do agree with what you say further above. Yes, definitely - for some 'speakers' it is initially a very cognitive process as they "learn" to speak in 'tongues'. Once they kind of 'get the hang of it', it becomes essentially a non-cognitive (as described above) process.