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Guojing said:
I don't want to have to go through this again so just believe whatever you want. :)
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So let me ask you: is this "new message" the very same being preached by the Church today?
Did it differ from the message preached by Peter in Acts 2?
 
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Guojing said:
No, but it specifically stated that one is to be saved, apart from the law, by ceasing from his works. It does not mean you should not do works
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Yep, save by faith not by work of law, but faith that save will bear fruit/loving work
 
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Yep, save by faith not by work of law, but faith that save will bear fruit/loving work
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Works will be seen yes but even if they are not, you are still saved because it was a free gift given to those who believe.
 
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cv5 said:
So let me ask you: is this "new message" the very same being preached by the Church today?
Did it differ from the message preached by Peter in Acts 2?
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Peter accuses his listeners of murdering Jesus in acts 2. He did not say believe that Jesus died in the cross for your sins and rose again for your justification.

So yes the message preached today is different
 
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Works will be seen yes but even if they are not, you are still saved because it was a free gift given to those who believe.
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Yep, work may seen may not, in some situation, like we die a second after accepting Jesus, work may not seen
 
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Guojing said:
Peter accuses his listeners of murdering Jesus in acts 2. He did not say believe that Jesus died in the cross for your sins and rose again for your justification.

So yes the message preached today is different
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You do err....

Acts 2:38
"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins"
 
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You do err....

Acts 2:38
"Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins"
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Try contrasting that to what Paul said in 1 Cor 15, and it will be clear. If you don't want to see the difference, that is also fine by me.
 
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Try contrasting that to what Paul said in 1 Cor 15, and it will be clear. If you don't want to see the difference, that is also fine by me.
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Utter nonsense. The gospel message did not change mid-stream.
 
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Wrong.
One can loose their born again status. That's why the Bible says..."maintain until the end"...death. Allow no man to cause you to loose your crowns. Put on the coat of armor ...daily. A backslider would be better off if he had never know the right side,etc.
Study scriptures.
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All beliver have the same reward of the work of Christ eternal life. The first will be last

Because Christ according to Isaiah 53 as a mutual work of one faith (the plan of Father and Son) of one God it appeased the wrath of God. We are given a imputed confidence that he will finish it to the very end.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:



Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Why, murmur. . . need a bigger crown?
 
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Try contrasting that to what Paul said in 1 Cor 15, and it will be clear. If you don't want to see the difference, that is also fine by me.
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Contrasting what to what Paul said in 1 Cor 15?
 
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No.
On earth we are.....born again....not saved.
G-d determines if we are ...saved....at judgment, which is after physical death.
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"Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death.”
 
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Guojing said:
Try contrasting that to what Paul said in 1 Cor 15, and it will be clear. If you don't want to see the difference, that is also fine by me.
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I suppose that you believe that Peter and Paul preached a different salvation message.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
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cv5 said:
I say to you: your eternal destiny depends upon whether you UNDERSTAND the Scriptures.
As of now you have no idea.
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Your qualification for such statement is absent.
You wish to bicker...please pass me up.i
 
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cv5 said:
John 8:51

"Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death.”
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That is correct providing they ...."maintain until the end"....that is part of His word.......why do you leave that out?, et al.
 
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That is correct providing they ...."maintain until the end"....that is part of His word.......why do you leave that out?, et al.
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"if anyone keeps My word"

Self evident in the passage itself.

"Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires."
 
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cv5 said:
I suppose that you believe that Peter and Paul preached a different salvation message.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
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We have already debated about this previously. If you don't want to see the difference, that is fine by me.
 
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garee said:
Contrasting what to what Paul said in 1 Cor 15?
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As I have stated, you cannot find Peter preaching, "Jesus died for your sins and rose again for your justification", as 1 Cor 15 stated. He did not understand that aspect of the Cross.

Rather, he indict the Jewish listeners for murdering Jesus. Stephen did the same too.
 
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cv5 said:
"if anyone keeps My word"

Self evident in the passage itself.

"Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires."
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If self evident then why does scripture enter it separately?
Teaching of scripture cannot be fractional....it must be complete.
 
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preston39 said:
If you followed G-d's word you would know the scripture.
Why aren't you showing it?



Show me where scripture says it?
I didn't post references because it is so common.
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I'll already gave, here is another one:

Luke 7:50
“And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”

King James Version (KJV)​
 
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  1. Thanks for the e-mail...here is one. If you wish to reject it then you are not dealing with G-d's word;
  2. Many scriptures supporting G-d's position;
  3. Hebrews 9:27-28 KJV - And as it is appointed unto men once ...
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    Hebrews 9:27-28 King James Version (KJV) 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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Umm, good scripture but would you mind to explain using the "context"? and please would mind to explain your "G-d's position. Even the KJV which you cited is against you.
 
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