Who is voting for Trump again?

this would have been more believable if you had asked it before you ventured to trash Trump

as it stands, it sounds more like a last ditch attempt to have an 'aha gotcha' moment

the way I understand it, Jesus would do different things depending on which person you might vote for

I actually do not like the way Americans seem to think they own Jesus

finally said it

if you could take Trump out of your mind for a second, maybe you'll believe it.
believe it or not, the world does not revolve around him, and my opinions are not formed in response to him.
before i had ever even heard of him, i already knew a vain man or a liar is a bad choice for a leader.

would Jesus even vote?
this has nothing to do with Trump.

would Jesus even vote?

how active was He in the politics of His day? did His apostles involve themselves in politics?

for sure, America's political system is not like Israel's was in the 1st century, so there isn't a direct correlation to be made from the evidence in the gospels.
for sure, you can quote for us, 'all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing' and suppose it applies to Christ. but did Christ oppose Rome? well, no. did the apostles oppose Rome? well, no. so is that 'good men doing nothing' ?

it's a very interesting question, to me. would Jesus even vote?

probably the reader is thinking, what if no Christians voted? wouldn't we get liberals running the country and the whole world go to the birds? like FOCHS tells us?
my friend, you have read the Bible. is there any hope that the world will not go to hell in a handbasket? 'saving the world by voting conservative' is a ruse.

all the political threads need to become Jesus threads, IMO.

Fair enough. Who's the nerd?

maybe you would like to talk about cats instead?

there are quite a few varieties

yet, Jesus paid taxes and obeyed the law

Paul said to pray for our leaders

since Israel was under Roman occupation, and Jesus did not try to overthrow that foreign government, I think we can take the view that Jesus was not into creating a diversion from facts to manufacture a reason for doing so

this particular reader is wondering just how far out on a limb you are going to go to try to support conjecture with no facts

that is the interesting question since the rest is moot

I don't have a rubber Bible

when they tried to make Him king, He went away from them, to a mountain, by Himself.

yet, Jesus paid taxes and obeyed the law

the 'tax' in Matthew 17:24-27 was not a Roman tax. it was a temple tribute 'for sanctification' -- and Jesus didn't pay it: He taught Peter that the children of kings are exempt from taxes, and instructed Peter to go catch a fish, in which he found a coin that covered both Peter's & Christ's 'temple tax' -- 'so that they would not give offense'

if you look at the Torah where this tribute originated from, Exodus 30, it is not at all clear that this was supposed to be a recurring fee for Jews -- it was to be collected "for atonement" when a census was taken. remember David taking a census? and getting in trouble over it? think about it.

so this isn't an example of Christ paying taxes.

the other place you may be referring to, 'render to Caesar what is Caesars' -- Jesus didn't have a coin. He asked that someone show Him one.


now, am not saying He taught against paying taxes. but to say, the message of these two things is not about paying taxes and honoring governments. it is something much deeper.

besides that -- 'voting' is not a requirement of the law. so you do not break a law by not voting. which is to say -- i don't see that you have a point at all by saying this? it doesn't answer the question. Jesus did not involve Himself in worldly politics. His apostles did not either. they did not advocate nor work toward political change nor did they seek political power. Jesus shirked political power. the apostles, well they didn't really have that opportunity lol -- although one could point out, Paul was on his way to a seat in the Sanhedrin, and he gave it up to pursue evangelism.

our citizenship is not of this world.
i believe, we ought to act like it is true.
so i am not a democrat, and i am utterly disgusted by Christians thinking the Republican party is the party of Christianity.

here is my view: Trump is a vain liar. the GOP manipulates the Christian church in America to equate itself as 'their party' and Trump pandered to them in order to gain votes in the SE states. every GOP candidate since Jerry Falwell has done exactly the same thing. the group of evangelical influencers who met with Trump either lied or were deceived when they said they thought Trump was a 'baby Christian' born again but showing no fruit and having no confession of faith and openly denying repentance. they were either somehow coerced or they were convinced that 'the greater good' of having a GOP-affiliated president who would probably nominate at least one conservative-leaning supreme court justice outwieghed the evil of lying to the church / misleading the church about Trump. their influence and the corresponding influence of thousands of pastors across the Bible belt who parroted their urging that all Christians 'must vote for Trump or else our country goes to hell' had a considerable influence on the vote. i think this is despicable, and it makes me sad to see people still under this spell.

my only advice is don't lie with your vote.
your vote means this is the person you respect and wish to be your nations leader and primary representative to the rest of the world.
if you don't truly respect him, and you are only voting 'against' someone else or 'against' some other perceived ideology - not literally 'for' a candidate -- in my view you should not vote at all; you are casting a lie.
this is the same advice i have given for 30 years. it has nothing to do with party or individuals.

i do not respect Trump, though i respect the office he currently holds. i do not trust him, i am ashamed that he leads our country. i will not vote for him. i will vote for whomever i think is honest, and who puts others before themselves. if i find no such person, i will not vote.
that's just me. make up your own minds.

"openness"

We must face the fact Trump will win. The best thing to do is stay close to God, always.

I'm not

If I find him I'll let you know!

By the way

Isn't this exactly the behavior you accuse only "liberals" of engaging in?

You ignored the substance of my argument, and attacked my character instead, with what turns out to be false accusations altogether.

But isn't this what our president does too? Every day lying and slandering and name calling and threatening every political opponent he has? So let's re elect him? Maybe he'll be mature by his third term? After all, he's on the republican ticket, so it's a no brainer decision to support him?

Lol.

Is that why he tells so many obvious lies, and so often repeats them, and so often exaggerates?

Because he really is that incorrigibly ignorant?

I would rather have a man who tells the truth, and who is not vain, and who puts others before himself, no matter what their political views are.

So who is your choice?

Would Jesus vote?

Never mind the question. You answered already.

Another question though...do you not see what would of happened if Hillary had become President?

This isn’t just about a political matter. It is about freedom to worship YHWH/Yeshua. We have enemies that want to destroy not only Jews but Christianity too. And pure evil reign.

We must differ on our view of on earth as it is in heaven. There’s a harvest begun and freedom yet for it.

I would not ever want to live under sharia law.

I see you drank all the kool ade

You have freedom of religion as per the Constitution. Trump has nothing to do with that