Not By Works

You yourself are not truly walking with Jesus so of course you wouldn’t know otherwise.

Rightly divided???

Then why are you agreeing and standing up for false teachers?

Wait, I did it wrong

THEN WHY ARE YOU STANDING UP FOR FALSE TEACHERS? AND JUDGING US BUT NOT JUDGING THEM?

Hi LAM,

I just want to ask you.

You do not believe in OSAS (I hate that term and much prefer ES)
So what has led you to disbelief concerning OSAS?
The Bible or the interpretation of the Bible based on those you agree with.

I totally agree with you that God does not lead astray those that seek him with a sincere and open heart.

I have done that myself.
Yet I think you and I disagree with this doctrine mentioned above, albeit in different terms.

But one is right and one is wrong.

What then?

I ask the question but if you asked me that question my response would be that is burned up and we are saved through the fire.

Let me break down this interesting point.
"You are not truly walking with Jesus" - a judgemental comment coming from someone who likes making
and implying judgementalism. It is for God to judge our standing before Him as Paul describes

3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
1 Cor 4

So if Paul does not judge, how can you? And how can you judge me?
So much failure to perceive the basics of spiritual reality, little wonder the more complicated issues
pass you by.

I truly know very little about you "smooth", except this constant condemnation, without foundation.
Unfortunately if this is your spiritual state, I fear for this reflects what is in your heart.
And I am not being sarcastic or trying to score points. Love does not behave like this to almost
anyone. The term demonising individuals seems to be the behaviour rather than wishing the best
of others and imagining them all better than oneself. So I wish the best for you, and hope this behaviour
is mistaken rather than intentional, except as it seems to be ongoing, so it seems intentional and intentionally
destructive. Maybe this is army mind sets at work. Dominate, destroy, defend.

DC is so innate, so deep seated, no way back. Are you his protege?

Is this your way of stating I am right and your are wrong?

If the doctrine you are addressing here is "eternal security" I can plainly state that eternal security is truth, and is the Gospel, and I did not need all caps to be forceful about it.

One of us is surely deceived, however scripture supports eternal security and of this there is no doubt so I know it is not me.

This is a reverse logic conception. False teachers are being condemned because we are following the Holy Spirit.
If you are following the Holy Spirit you would agree with us.

A simple test is if a person comes speaking only the words of Jesus would they be condemned as a heretic and
not having the Holy Spirit? Yes.

Therefore however they guys are being led and whatever their foundations they are not Jesus's word.
Once good deeds and love can become evil and hate, you know someone has flipped or does not know what
God is addressing in the world.

Hi UnderGrace,

The statement from least is just saying this is her honest approach.
Our only security is in our honesty and integrity before the Lord. Without this we are lost
and driven by whatever teacher we are listening to, which is how some live their lives.

And when we share with others, this is where we stand in Jesus and His work in our hearts,
whether others can accept it or not, this is our experience. And praise the Lord, He does honour
this. It is how He speaks to our hearts, and defends us against those who through their own
beliefs and convictions without accepting others have a different perspective in Christ.
God bless you

If I were to answer your question,I would immediately be called never saved,a hypocrite,of Satan and his lies, and probably thought of by some as worse! I believe we are eternally secure IF we CONTINUE to overcome sins that easily beset us( for we still war against our own flesh) and walk in the inspired word of God and OBEY all the commandments of Jesus! When the FINAL judgements are made,then shall we see THOSE WHO PERSEVERED IN HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS unto the END!

Smooth, you sure are smooooooth

I like your style!

Hi undergrace,

In truth two believers can walk with Jesus from two different perspectives and emphasis.
It does not mean one is right and the other wrong. It means they are different, but equally part
of the body. There are core positions we cannot move on, but if we walk in purity, holiness and
love, we can have fellowship before the Lord.

And in this we should all rejoice, because Jesus is our saviour and Lord, Amen

If you truly believe this is scriptural can you please tell me how much perseverance and overcoming saves?

So far not one person has yet to answer this question using scripture.

I might also add that you really do not know if you are saved then?

I truly am so thankful for the ignore option on here for I no longer read negative remarks or questions pointed at me!😁 I am at peace in my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,I rest in my Fathers arms,and I walk in the leadership of the Spirit! I am blessed in the joy of the Holy Ghost indwelling as at Pentecost!

HE THAT THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED! I AM A CHILD OF GOD!

Hi FHS, did someone in opposing view says anything like you just said " ...trust in Christs work is satanic lies..."? Who? Perhaps I just misunderstood you or you misunderstood what is being posted. Scriptures some time used a hard words notable especially to those that wrest God's word, evidently those who use to charm using imaginative story. Examples:

Luke 12:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

Galatians 3:1 King James Version (KJV)
3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?


Thanks,

So that you could not lose to be a child of God? is that this means? Thanks

If you are on a bus, asking how long do you have to stay on the bus before it arrives at its destination does
not make sense. As long as you stay on the bus you will arrive.

So staying in faith, abiding in Christ, delivers to us eternal life. In a sense we have passed from death to
life by starting and staying on the path.

So you can ask a question that fits one framework but does not have an answer in a different one.
So it is a non-question. If you were walking on a path through a minefield, asking how far do you
have to walk to be safe, is not applicable. The question is what happens if I leave the path?
You die.

These kind of absurd problems comes from people who are not interested in exploring perspectives of
others, rather just create problems. Funnily in a true dispute, the ones with a false solution always feel
picked on and retaliate with inappropriate points because they have nothing else to share.

So saying we cannot conquer sin, and thereby compromising with evil behaviour, is a compromise. It is
not a lie. The reality is a belief is held it is impossible not to compromise.

From the perspective of a loving transformed position, this is wilful sin as Jesus is believed to provide
the answer and the path. So the core issue being disputed is one of faith and what is possible in our
transformed lives.

Hello, just some thoughts from an outsider looking in while catching up on some posts from yesterday. I find it a little sad and hurtful to see some calling themselves Christian while bullying and labeling others with offensive language. Love is a fruit of the Spirit and God says we shall know them by their fruits. This is only shared in love for all that have ears to hear.

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


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Those who love God, hate lies about Him and His will


Those who love thier neighbor, will tell them the truth... even if they wont like it


there is something to be said for tact

but you are new...
many here you are probably speaking against


have been fighting the good fight against liars and modern day pharisee for many years

Then you do not believe in eternal security.

You believe you must save yourself

Which makes sense why you yell at us. Claiming we attack you all. But never yell at your boddies, who are continually attacking those who disagree with them.