Welcome Mr Increase, Jump on in, the waters fine. 
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Thank you very much Anne, nice to meet you. Mr decrease actually He meaning Jesus.
It was not the rich man, but one of the 11 disciples. An educated guess (just a guess, nothing more, not dogmatic) is that it was Simon the Zealot. One who claimed to be ready for a fight, probably had the other sword (just as the other Simon, Peter had his) and once he saw Peter's sword down and rebuked and Jesus being arrested, turned into the opposite of what he outwardly claimed to be, and turned coward and ran, even right out of his clothes. I have no direct scripture or evidence of this, just a hunch and I mostly keep it to myself unless someone asks, and then I share as I just did with caution. If someone disagrees, well I am ok with that too. I just would like to hear a better one.
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It was not the rich man, but one of the 11 disciples. An educated guess (just a guess, nothing more, not dogmatic) is that it was Simon the Zealot. One who claimed to be ready for a fight, probably had the other sword (just as the other Simon, Peter had his) and once he saw Peter's sword down and rebuked and Jesus being arrested, turned into the opposite of what he outwardly claimed to be, and turned coward and ran, even right out of his clothes. I have no direct scripture or evidence of this, just a hunch and I mostly keep it to myself unless someone asks, and then I share as I just did with caution. If someone disagrees, well I am ok with that too. I just would like to hear a better one.
As you say it's ok if someone disagrees.
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The expression "The Eye of the Needle" was mention several times in the Talmud.
WIKEPEDIA QUOTE:
The term "eye of a needle" is used as a metaphor for a very narrow opening. It occurs several times throughout the Talmud. The New Testament quotes Jesus as saying that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
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The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night.
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Gate
The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.
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IF IT IS A REAL GATE.
This would be the most likely location:
This smaller gate that was open all night, after the gates to the City were CLOSED for the Night.
This larger GATE is now call the JUDGEMENT GATE, as this is the location they believe Christ exited the City carrying HIS Cross.
However I am comfortable saying Christ was referencing a literal sowing needle.
WIKEPEDIA QUOTE:
The term "eye of a needle" is used as a metaphor for a very narrow opening. It occurs several times throughout the Talmud. The New Testament quotes Jesus as saying that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God".
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The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night.
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Gate
The "Eye of the Needle" has been claimed to be a gate in Jerusalem, which opened after the main gate was closed at night. A camel could only pass through this smaller gate if it was stooped and had its baggage removed. This story has been put forth since at least the 15th century, and possibly as far back as the 9th century. However, there is no widely accepted evidence for the existence of such a gate.
End Quote.
IF IT IS A REAL GATE.
This would be the most likely location:
This smaller gate that was open all night, after the gates to the City were CLOSED for the Night.
This larger GATE is now call the JUDGEMENT GATE, as this is the location they believe Christ exited the City carrying HIS Cross.
However I am comfortable saying Christ was referencing a literal sowing needle.
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Nothing you say carries any value or weight.....you have already proven your inconsistent stand in the other thread and refusal to acknowledge truth...it was not a GATE he was referencing....the language is clear....and like I said...do not address me......
IF it was a GATE the disciples would NOT have responded as they did with the question about who then can be saved......and one thing I am...is consistent with language....either GREEK or ENGLISH and all liars will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone......a man that denies JESUS entering the holiest of Holies in heaven with his blood is a liar <--that would be you
SO.....do not address me again....I despise dishonest people and you are one such person and a deceiver to boot!!
IF it was a GATE the disciples would NOT have responded as they did with the question about who then can be saved......and one thing I am...is consistent with language....either GREEK or ENGLISH and all liars will have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone......a man that denies JESUS entering the holiest of Holies in heaven with his blood is a liar <--that would be you
SO.....do not address me again....I despise dishonest people and you are one such person and a deceiver to boot!!
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Thanks for this, I am really learning a lot today there is a lot of truth in this post.
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We already know you are false by the satanic lies you were peddling in the other thread....devaluing JESUS, his work, saying he had no blood to offer in heaven, did not enter the holiest.....no wonder you are missing the mark...another Pharisee that has no faith, denies Jesus and believes he saves himself.....NOTHING to see here......
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Gotta love how people want to twist things.. and make the bible say somethign it never said
If God wanted the word “gate” to be used, he would have used it. We know he used it, because he said the egospel will be so powerful. The GATES (greek Pylai) OF HELL will not overpower it where as in this passage, Jesus said the eye of a needle (greek-rhaphidos)
If God wanted the word “gate” to be used, he would have used it. We know he used it, because he said the egospel will be so powerful. The GATES (greek Pylai) OF HELL will not overpower it where as in this passage, Jesus said the eye of a needle (greek-rhaphidos)
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Thanks for this, I am really learning a lot today there is a lot of truth in this post.
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Logizomi can be used as a banking term, and a legal term. In banking it means that money is credited to your account, or a payment is credited to pay for a debt (hence the debt is paid) in a legal sense, it is that a term which means a guilty person is reckoned innocent
Take abraham, He believed God. And how did God react? He reckoned to him as righteous.. Even though abraham was a pretty serious sinner. He was seen as God as righteous. Because the righteousness of Christ was credited to his account,
it does not mean abraham lived out his righteousness, He did not. He sinned manyh times,, It means God could not see his sin, Because the blood was covering his sin (see the ark of the covenant on day of atonement)
Take abraham, He believed God. And how did God react? He reckoned to him as righteous.. Even though abraham was a pretty serious sinner. He was seen as God as righteous. Because the righteousness of Christ was credited to his account,
it does not mean abraham lived out his righteousness, He did not. He sinned manyh times,, It means God could not see his sin, Because the blood was covering his sin (see the ark of the covenant on day of atonement)
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Oh I know........and then one that devalues JESUS, stated yesterday he had no blood to take with him to offer, did not enter the holiest place in heaven is allowed to peddle his drivel.....and people actually like it....speaks volumes to the honesty, integrity and ignorance of some.....
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Spiritual warfare
Liars
4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar rom 3
2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Tim 4
10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives
1 John 1
4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2
20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar.
1 John 4
False prophets
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Matt 7
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matt 7
Fruit
16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.
17 This is my command: Love each other.
18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.
John 15
It appears bad trees that bear bad fruit have no way back.
Maybe this should steer our discussions knowing we can sow Gods word, but bad trees will remain
bad. It must be their foundation and whole building. It cannot be remade, it is set in the direction
it has chosen, just like a tree, no longer a seed, only worthy of destruction and cutting down.
These are Gods spiritual truths, which unfortunately these forums appear to show.
If someone preaches from Gods word outside of the influence of the Holy Spirit, maybe there is no
foundation left to be established in them. If the choices before us are like the preaching of the disciples
across Israel, acceptance or rejection has eternal consequences. That for me if true, is extremely sad and
breaks my heart.
Liars
4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar rom 3
2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
1 Tim 4
10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives
1 John 1
4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2
20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar.
1 John 4
False prophets
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Matt 7
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matt 7
Fruit
16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.
17 This is my command: Love each other.
18 If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.
John 15
It appears bad trees that bear bad fruit have no way back.
Maybe this should steer our discussions knowing we can sow Gods word, but bad trees will remain
bad. It must be their foundation and whole building. It cannot be remade, it is set in the direction
it has chosen, just like a tree, no longer a seed, only worthy of destruction and cutting down.
These are Gods spiritual truths, which unfortunately these forums appear to show.
If someone preaches from Gods word outside of the influence of the Holy Spirit, maybe there is no
foundation left to be established in them. If the choices before us are like the preaching of the disciples
across Israel, acceptance or rejection has eternal consequences. That for me if true, is extremely sad and
breaks my heart.
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You are good.....it wasn't you migo.......so far we can recap what this deceiver believes from yesterday...
a. Jesus did not enter the holiest place in heaven
b. Jesus did not ascend with blood to offer
c. Salvation can be lost <--cited two examples that do not prove the loss of salvation
d. Once for all does not mean once for all
e. Future sins must be atoned for because the work of the cross does not cover future sins
f. A constant circular reasoning and rejection of the truth
g. Devalues JESUS, his work, his blood
h. Attributes scriptures applied unto the Anti-Christ in Daniel to JESUS
i. etc.
And some are liking what he is writing.....shakes head at the ignorance.....
a. Jesus did not enter the holiest place in heaven
b. Jesus did not ascend with blood to offer
c. Salvation can be lost <--cited two examples that do not prove the loss of salvation
d. Once for all does not mean once for all
e. Future sins must be atoned for because the work of the cross does not cover future sins
f. A constant circular reasoning and rejection of the truth
g. Devalues JESUS, his work, his blood
h. Attributes scriptures applied unto the Anti-Christ in Daniel to JESUS
i. etc.
And some are liking what he is writing.....shakes head at the ignorance.....
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