Trinity haters on CC

You have crossed the line into actual heresy.

YHVH, the one true God is one in terms of essence, three in terms of Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Jesus, the second Person of the Triune God, acquired humanity in the incarnation. He didn't "change" as YHVH, but he acquired humanity.

YHVH didn't change, as he is eternally the same. However, Jesus acquired humanity at the incarnation. Jesus' in his humanity is a new creation. Jesus, in his deity, has always existed and has never changed.

Jesus' deity and humanity are joined through the hypostatic union.

Study the creeds and you will see that my explanations are in alignment with them. They make perfect sense to me.

However, if you continue to put Jesus in your box, based on human experiences, he will never make sense to you.

Again, you are defeating your own claims. You tried to defend trinity by claiming Jesus is one with the Father and i'm simply pointing out that in the same manner, Jesus is also one with the believers.

John 17:21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May theyalso be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

So believers are one with God too

And:

2 Pet 1:4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Believers are also partakers in the divine nature too.

Now, if you really know how to count, how many distinct persons do we end up with?

Nope.

Jesus makes sense to me but your explanation of God doesn't, because i still don't get this essence thing.

1. Jesus, was one person, one being and ONE GOD. Meaning; no one looked at Jesus and said 3 distinct persons

2. ALL DEITY dwelt in Him in bodily form. Meaning; there were no extra deity apart from this one person called Jesus

3. If there's any other distinct person apart from Jesus, that makes them two Gods; doesn't matter if they share one essence, they'd still make two Gods.

And claiming one essence doesn't change anything.

Notice the attempt to pull Jesus down to the level of a mere man, Elisha, who was only a prophet.

Muslims play the same game.

Jesus is YHVH. He is the LORD. He is not a mere man. He is God with Us.

John 5 is instructive in this regard. If the person does not honor Jesus JUST AS THE FATHER he does not know God.

You can't even spell Babylonian.

Trinity = Tri -Unity

There are three Persons yet one Being, God (YHVH).

Three "who's" and one "what".

There is no inconsistency because there are two different categories, person and being.

The problem is that you are attempting to pull God down to the level of a human being, and claiming that there must be only one person per being, because that is how it works in the material realm. You insist that God must conform to your fleshly existence..and this is idolatrous.

If one understand the Trinity, it opens up new vistas to their understanding of Scripture. Without this understanding, one is limited by the walls of his flawed reasoning.

OK. So, apparently you accept the deity of Jesus, but not the Trinity doctrine?

Are you a Oneness guy then?

If so, then how do you explain Jesus praying to the Father? Do you think he was talking to himself?

I'm not oneness.

God came in the flesh and demonstrated sonship.

notice you dodging everything i said. was anything in that statement i made false?



rule number one in trolling when you have nothing of substance, attack their spelling, character or try and connect them to some boogyman. bless your heart.

im not trying to pull the Most High down to anything, an example of this would be someone claiming the Most High is three, but one, but three in one, but one in three, and all the rest and its not me doing that, thats actually you. IMO its not wise to try and limit the Almighty to three things . . .and nothing else.

True enough, because Jesus is God. He "demonstrated" sonship in the sense that the Father and Son have always been in a filial relationship.

However, nothing about this takes away from the Trinity.

There is only one God (YHVH).
The Father is God (YHVH)
The Son is God (YHVH)
The Holy Spirit is God (YHVH)

These three Persons share the same being or essence and are each eternal.

Humans participate in the fellowship of the Triune God through union with Christ, which is mediated through the Holy Spirit. Through this union with Christ, they receive justification, sanctification, glorification, sonship, and share in His inheritance.

Pretty simple to say and actually to understand, if one's mind is opened to it, through the Holy Spirit

Three distinct persons are three distinct beings even if they share one essence. A complex way of saying you have 3 Gods and trying to shy away from it at the same time. Your statements are contradicting.

God is in union with every created thing through the human mind; He withdraws, that thing decays away.

It's plain you simply don't understand the Bible and it is useless to reason with you.

Jesus is NOT in union with every human being. He is in union only with those he has saved. Additionally, all unbelievers are detached from God, and spiritually dead, yet they continue to exist physically.

I invite everyone to read Romans 6:1-14 to see that only believers who have been joined to Christ have died to sin and are resurrected to righteousness through union with Jesus. Additionally, read the book of Ephesians to discover how union with Christ permeates the understanding of Paul.

Additionally, I am sorry that you are unable to understand that God is a multi-personal being, but this is the teaching of Scripture. There is one God yet three Persons. Since you are a fleshly man who can only understand fleshly things, I can understand why you don't accept this teaching, though. In your fleshly world, there is only one person per being, so understanding this concept must be too difficult for you.

This man simply does not understand the Bible, even though he thinks he's qualified to criticize others' understanding of it.

I am not limiting YHVH. I am explaining what Scripture teaches concerning him.

It seems as though you are trying to claim Jesus is not YHVH. If not, then please correct me. However, if you are claiming this, you are not giving honor to the Son, and don't know God. Those who deny the deity of Christ don't know him.

You yourself mentioned the "Babylonian Trinity" nonsense, which is a product of Alexander Hislop and his book "Two Babylons". There are probably other individuals who have taught this in the past, but his book is the most popular one in this regards. SDAs, the followers of Herbert Armstrong, and some Hebrew Roots Movement guys have picked up this theme from his writings and perpetuated them in their paranoid, nut-job publications.

I never mentioned the word "thing". The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not "things". They are Persons.

There is one God in terms of being or essence, yet three Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three are co-eternal and co-essential (sharing the same essence or being). The believer is brought into their fellowship through being joined with Christ, who is their life, righteousness, justification, sanctification, glorification. They share his sonship and his inheritance through this union.

For those who are teachable, I suggest reading the book Union with Christ by Rankin Wilbourne to understand this fantastic doctrine at a greater level. And, again, I suggest the books, both entitled Delighting in the Trinity, by Tim Chester and Michael Reeves to savor the truths related to the Trinity. You might also consider the book, Rejoicing in Christ, by Michael Reeves, too.

Those who actively deny Jesus is God, and deny the Trinity, are dwelling in darkness whether they know it or not.

when you say the Most High is three persons, thats limiting the Most High, not sure how else to explain that one.

i never proclaimed Jesus was not the Most High.

i dont know who this hudson guy is, third time now, why do you keel going there?

i would be very uncomfortable calling the Most High a "person" but maybe thats just me

there is no scripture that says your going to dwell in darkness for not accepting the trinity. this sounds like pharisee arrogance that believed their doctrines were at the same level as holy scripture, Jesus taught against this btw.

i think you need to spend less time with these books and more time with the bible.

I study the Bible, as well as the works of current and previous godly men. It is the height of arrogance to deny church history and the understanding of brothers from the past.

Person doesn't mean a physical body. I can't figure out why so many anti-Trinitarians think that.

thats probably what the pharisees told everyone.


gee why in the world would anyone think such a crazy thing, maybe because "person" 99.999999999 percent of the time refers to a limited being of this world and not the Almighty who created the heavens and earth. does Jesus ever refer to His Father as a "person"? how about Moses, Samuel, Elijah or anywhere in the bible is the Most High called a person, but im guessing thats not important and nothig to worry about.

Yes that's what the father sent him to do. As many as the father gave to the Son they alone will come. God is not served by the corrupted hands of mankind. He can move a unbeliever to bring his gospel messages as well as one that does have the faith which alone comes by hearing the messages (Gospel)

I have no problem with that verse .The Son of man always does the will of the father that dwelt in Him. . . . working with the Son of man to both will and do the good pleasure of the father.

We simply do not know God after the flesh .the one time outward demonstration is over, the veil is rent.

God is Spirit and not a man as us.

What was meant by you offering it now that you know I was not joking ?

Does God have a beginning?

How many non-persons do you call "He"? Why did Jesus use the word "he" to refer to God then?

What is God, an "it"?

Hilarious.

This is the kind of stuff anti-Trinitarians fixate their minds on lol.

lots of hot air but you didnt answer the question, where does anyone call the Most High a person?

this is not anti trin stuff, there are lots of Christians that dont agree with bringing the Most High down to out level.

Because he is personal, and is not a thing.

Actually, he is multi-personal being. You can call him a being if you want. I don't care. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are persons.