Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

This is the main reason why its (almost) pointless to talk about prophecy or eschatology. It seems like everyone is deliberately fantasizing to me.

I never read anything about allegory in the Bible. Your assertion that a thousand could mean a long period of time in Biblical prophecy but by no means would that indicate that the Kingdom won`t have it`s Day.

what do u say about this argument friends.

I will tell him!! Much respect brother, I understand what you mean.


ah yes

the famous 'God told me' move

quite some time ago, a family member said that to me...one of those 'God told me to tell you' things which was actually just her
trying to manipulate me....yet again

I responded with 'actually God told me to tell you that He did not tell you anything'

she got up and left without a word

thats' just a bad spirit when someone starts that kind of nonsense

""I responded with 'actually God told me to tell you that He did not tell you anything'""

Bwaaahuuuaaaaaa

""I responded with 'actually God told me to tell you that He did not tell you anything'""

....and then if they escalate the dialog into "so...my God told me to tell you he wasnt the one that told you he didnt really tell me that..."

Then just end it with "soooo,my dad can beat up yout dad"

I'm not really sure of your overall point. But if you are endeavoring to say that certain things cannot be understood while we remain in these bodies of flesh, I would suggest that (as you are aware, I'm sure) "spiritual" does not always refer to "those who've shed their physical bodies," otherwise...

"But he who is spiritual judges all things, but he himself is judged by no one." 1 Corinthians 2:15--this apparently means that, first they dis-robed from their flesh-bodies... [??]

"And I, brothers, was not able to speak to you as to spiritual, but as fleshly--as to infants in Christ." 1 Corinthians 3:1--so this apparently means they must first dis-robe from their physical bodies so Paul can then speak to them in the manner (and with the content/substance) he desires... [??]

"If anyone considers himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things I write to you are the commands of the Lord." 1 Corinthians 14:37--this apparently means that invisible [body-less] people were hovering around the group, and Paul was addressing THEM (as the only ones capable of "recognizing" such)... [??]

"Brothers, even if a man should be caught in some trespass, you the spiritual ones restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself, lest you also be tempted." Galatians 6:1--this apparently means I must aspire to being "body-less" (dis-robed from my physical body) before I can minister to that guy adequately (and that "temptations" remain possible for me, in that state)... [??]



Pretty sure you didn't even mean something like this ^ , but I *have* heard the argument that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1Cor15:50) so therefore there is no future earthly kingdom, they say...

@dcontroversal @allpost-tribbers

does this proof pretrib rapture when Jesus says its going to be like in the days of noah people were drinking eating and marrying and given in marriage.

but think about it, if this is talking about the second coming how can it say that because all over planet its going to be seals trumpets vials unleashing planet going crazy devastation like never seen before. that doesnt sound like all going same way again.

but if its talking about rapture then it would make sense, its all going like normal then rapture and then it says flood (seals trumpets vials) came and took them all away?

what do u say about this argument friends.

FYI. The rapture, which is called the first ressurrection in the Bible occurs during the time of the sixth seal in Revelation.
The seven seals follow the time line outlined by Jesus in Matthew 24.

No. That's not exactly what I meant. But it is another issue that is argued about but is not known by us.

So it seems kind of strange to argue about. To me.


What I meant was that the Lord says His Words are Spirit and Life. So when someone says you can't "allegorize" the word but you have to "take them literally" it sounds kind of funny to me. The Lord allegorized His Word all the time to try to teach spiritual principles to carnal men.


I think this is like describing rainbows to blind men. Then the blind men arguing about how that can't be the description of colors because they have heard a different description from someone else...

Thats one interpretation
It may be this way, but many do not think this
Ps, even the first 6 seals are part of the great tribulation. Spoken of in matt 24

Agreed.

(though I wouldn't call the "entire" tribulation period [of all 7 yrs] "the GREAT tribulation," as you have here; as this "the great tribulation" refers solely to the 2nd half of it [lasting 1260 days]--whereas the "seals" are all located in the 1st half of it, and I would say, even in the 1st fourth of it, according to my study of its "chronology" [SEAL #1 (the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3/Matt24:4/Mk13:5/2Th2:8a/9a]" kicks off the entire 7-yr period])

No. That's not exactly what I meant. But it is another issue that is argued about but is not known by us.

So it seems kind of strange to argue about. To me.


What I meant was that the Lord says His Words are Spirit and Life. So when someone says you can't "allegorize" the word but you have to "take them literally" it sounds kind of funny to me. The Lord allegorized His Word all the time to try to teach spiritual principles to carnal men.


I think this is like describing rainbows to blind men. Then the blind men arguing about how that can't be the description of colors because they have heard a different description from someone else...

Agree, allegory ..... the parables being a prime example.

But that is not prophesy

Prophesy is god sayin in the future, this will happen, in this way, sometimes down to great detail

So when people alive at the time see those things occurs, they can know god said it, it happen just the way he said it wouod j just like christs first advent, and the examples of babylon, media-Persia greece and rome) he is the one true god

If we make his prophesies an allegory, this is impossible to do, (the prophesies are left to interpretation and no one can prove which interpretation is correct)

Literal interpretation leaves no doubt,

It cannot all be literal otherwise this would be the beast in Revelation....

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Greetings UnitedWithChrist,

You are correct in that, the church is made up of both Jew and Gentile. However, there is also unbelieving Israel which God is going to deal with during the tribulation period.

When the Lord appears to gather His church, the dead in Christ (both Jew and Gentile), from the on-set of the church right up until the resurrection, the dead will rise first and then the living in Christ will be changed and caught up with them. That takes of care of both Jew and Gentiles who belong to the church.

Now, what about the nation Israel who did not and does not acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah?

Daniel 9:24 states that seventy "sevens," i.e. seventy, seven year periods were decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem:

7 sevens = Restore and rebuild Jerusalem

62 sevens = 69 sevens at the end of which the Messiah was cut off/cruified

1 seven = A future seven year period where a seven year covenant will be made with Israel allowing them to build their temple where they will begin to make sacrifices and offerings. In the middle of that seven years the ruler/antichrist will cause the sacrifices and offerings to cease and will set up that abomination in the holy place within the temple. This will cause the desolation of Judea which is where Israel will flee out into the wilderness which is mentioned in both Matt.24:15-22 and Rev.12:6, 14. During that last 3 1/2 years God will care for the woman/Israel out in the desert. This is the nation Israel who did not and have not acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah, but will do so sometime during that last 3 1/2 years.

The church = Made up of both believing Jews and Gentiles

The Nation Israel = Does not and has not acknowledged Jesus as their Messiah. With them the last seven years of the seventy sevens will be fulfilled.

In addition, there will also be 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel who will be sealed during the first 3 1/2 years of whom it is written, that they will not have defiled themselves with woman which would make them all males, ergo, the male child and no lie will be found in their mouths. These will be the first fruits to God out of Israel.

There will also be a great number of white robes saints from every people, tribe, nation and language (Gentiles) who are not apart of the church, but will become believers during the time of God's wrath.