Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?

But that is not prophesy

Prophesy is god sayin in the future, this will happen, in this way, sometimes down to great detail

So when people alive at the time see those things occurs, they can know god said it, it happen just the way he said it wouod j just like christs first advent, and the examples of babylon, media-Persia greece and rome) he is the one true god

If we make his prophesies an allegory, this is impossible to do, (the prophesies are left to interpretation and no one can prove which interpretation is correct)

Literal interpretation leaves no doubt,

"62 sevens = 69 sevens at the end of which the Messiah was cut off/crucified"
173,880 days from Neh ch 2 (445 BC) to the "triumphal entry".

Interstingly, even a great reformation bible scholar like B.B Warfield was supposedly an amillenialist.
His arguments supporting this are either vague, strained or wrong.

Hello CV5,

Just to be clear, it is 7 sevens + 62 sevens = 69 sevens, at the end of which Messiah was cut off.

7 sevens = The issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem which was given by King Artaxerxes per Daniel's request and which were the letters/decrees given to Daniel for safe passage through the Trans-Euphrates region and for the kings forest to cut down wood for the rebuilding. My Bible has a date of 446 BC for the decree for the restoring and rebuilding Jerusalem. Therefore, if we count from that date and add 69 seven year periods to it, it comes out to 483 years:

446 BC minus 483 years = 37 AD, which when you take into consideration the calendar changes, it is in the ball park of the Messiah being cut off.

There is therefore one seven year period left which is approaching quickly. And prior to that, the gathering of the church.

I think you are not realizing that "allegory" is not opposite of literal.

Abstract is opposite of literal.

Allegory is symbolic

Literal is non symbolic

If you do not take something as a literal event, you take it as symbolic, or allegory, so in effect they are opposite sides

Nice try though

You are funny .. literal (reality) and >>> abstract/conceptual/ideas/non-tangible are the two domains.

You cannot argue this, this is basic.

Symbolism can be representation of reality.

Reality can indeed be expressed in a symbolic form, writers do it all the time. The difficulty is discerning the "reality" they are presenting in symbolic form.

Well when we are told a beast will arise, and rule the world

Literalism says there will be a world leader that rules the world.

Symbolism sayd this represents some spiritual truth, but not a real leader.

This is what i am talking about

Taking a prophesy and using an allegorical interpretation to interpret it

If god gave prophecy to prove he is god, and draw people at that time to him, there will be NO DOUBT that the prophecy is fulfilled

This is impossible with an allegorical interpretation, with allegorical interpretation you can make the prophecy say whatever you want, and there is no way to prove it.

Prophecy must be literally interpreted in contect,

The head of gold (allegory) was babylon, more specifically, as daniel said, nebachadnezzer

This is the prime example of how all prophecy should be interpreted,

"not a world leader" that is a misunderstanding of symbolism.
Again the dividing line is literal and abstract.
An allegory is a representation of reality... Alice in Wonderland and Gulliver's Travels being examples.

A parable for instance is not an allegory.

its called allegory, ie, 1000 does not literally means 1000, it means a long period of time of unknown length (allegory)

You still take a symbolic interpretation of scripture, you have to in order to be anything other than pre-mill.

Definition of allegory

1: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence a writer known for his use of allegoryalso : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression The poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.
2: a symbolic representation : EMBLEM sense 2

When someone claims a thousand years is not a thousand years, but a generalization or a symbolic representation, they are taking an allegorical approach

Honestly, what does it matter if the Amils call it allegory, metaphor, symbolism, or some other name. It STILL means they don't believe what Scripture expressly says.

And yes, I know Scripture does use all sorts of figures of speech, but they are designated as such by the context or verbiage.

You still take a symbolic interpretation of scripture, you have to in order to be anything other than pre-mill.

Definition of allegory

1: the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence a writer known for his use of allegoryalso : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression The poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.
2: a symbolic representation : EMBLEM sense 2

When someone claims a thousand years is not a thousand years, but a generalization or a symbolic representation, they are taking an allegorical approach

Honestly, what does it matter if the Amils call it allegory, metaphor, symbolism, or some other name. It STILL means they don't believe what Scripture expressly says.

And yes, I know Scripture does use all sorts of figures of speech, but they are designated as such by the context or verbiage.

LOL ... It is not an allegorcal approach you are mixing up all your literary devices.

That is not what is happening, the argument is whether it is hyperbole or not.
And I can tell since Italian is my second language this is very common form of expression within that culture and the greater Mediterranean area.
So context is the key.

LOL ... It is not an allegorcal approach you are mixing up all your literary devices.

That is not what is happening, the argument is whether it is hyperbole or not.
And I can tell since Italian is my second language this is very common form of expression within that culture and the greater Mediterranean area.
So context is the key.

Well trying to simplify complex writing is not the solution either I do not think.

It is about context... and I feel that is an unfair charge. I do not know if it a literal thousand years or a great period of time as the word was often used to mean, but we know it is a period of time is that not the real literal meaning?

Well trying to simplify complex writing is not the solution either I do not think.

It is about context... and I feel that is an unfair charge. I do not know if it a literal thousand years or a great period of time as the word was often used to mean, but we know it is a period of time is that not the real literal meaning?

Honestly, what does it matter if the Amils call it allegory, metaphor, symbolism, or some other name. It STILL means they don't believe what Scripture expressly says.

And yes, I know Scripture does use all sorts of figures of speech, but they are designated as such by the context or verbiage.

This is the SAME mistake the Jews made.

They thought that, according to Scripture, God was coming to be a Conqueror for them.

Well, He did. But He did in a Spiritual Way and NOT in a literal flesh way. And so they missed it.


This is the same with ALL prophecy and the reason why there are endless arguments. We see darkly and not clearly because we are not purely Spiritual people yet.

But the pattern is there for us to "see". I know people who study prophecy don't like this. They want to take it all and make it into something they can understand.

People who are born again should definitely understand some of what Prophecy says because it applies directly to them, imo. A past, present, and future fulfilling of prophecy in a Spiritual Way and not in a literal flesh way. Still literal but not able to be seen by the natural eyes. Only able to be revealed by the "Spiritual" eyes.


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