Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?
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I would offer. Its the same promise. . the same seed. The eternal not seen. . . not many seeds according to the flesh of Abraham, the temporal .
The descendants are as living stones that make up the spiritual unseen house of God. Abel would be the first mentioned.
The Jews after the seeds of Abraham took away the faith that comes from our Father not seen Turning it upside down giving it to the things seen the temporal fathers on earth.
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. John3:9
Taking away the understanding of faith and giving it to the fathers, as a law of the fathers. Paul when he did belong to kind of sect was guilty. Killing the misperceived competition as those who do wrestle against flesh and blood the things seen the temporal.
No faith that comes from hearing God . Showing they did not believe in a God not seen .Paganism as apostate Jews..God would call them fools. . No Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God working in their hearts .
Now after his born again conversion by the seed the Word of Christ .They came to make Paul disapear as a pagan foundation .(no faith) But rather out of sight out of mind . They tried to say sola scriptura ("believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets)was a heresy and the law of the father oral trreaditions of men the true binding law.
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, "believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets": Acts 24:13-14
An eternity of difference between seed (one) Christ and seeds (many).
They were worshipping the fathers as if they were God. . . as many a legion of gods in the likeness of men unlike converted Paul . . . . . . so worship I the God of my fathers . Not fathers as gods in the likeness of temporal corruted mankind .
The descendants are as living stones that make up the spiritual unseen house of God. Abel would be the first mentioned.
The Jews after the seeds of Abraham took away the faith that comes from our Father not seen Turning it upside down giving it to the things seen the temporal fathers on earth.
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. John3:9
Taking away the understanding of faith and giving it to the fathers, as a law of the fathers. Paul when he did belong to kind of sect was guilty. Killing the misperceived competition as those who do wrestle against flesh and blood the things seen the temporal.
No faith that comes from hearing God . Showing they did not believe in a God not seen .Paganism as apostate Jews..God would call them fools. . No Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God working in their hearts .
Now after his born again conversion by the seed the Word of Christ .They came to make Paul disapear as a pagan foundation .(no faith) But rather out of sight out of mind . They tried to say sola scriptura ("believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets)was a heresy and the law of the father oral trreaditions of men the true binding law.
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, "believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets": Acts 24:13-14
An eternity of difference between seed (one) Christ and seeds (many).
They were worshipping the fathers as if they were God. . . as many a legion of gods in the likeness of men unlike converted Paul . . . . . . so worship I the God of my fathers . Not fathers as gods in the likeness of temporal corruted mankind .
Isaiah 29:18And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
Yes to power of the gospel the light of the word . . . the spiritual blind see by faith( the unseen) , the deaf hear by faith .
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Yes to power of the gospel the light of the word . . . the spiritual blind see by faith( the unseen) , the deaf hear by faith .
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
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All of mankind comes as the father draws by a work of His faith working to both will and perform His good pleasure (imputed righteousness) No secrets to one nation. . not known to others.
They were born spiritually blind .The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven ever since the garden the Eden. . A dying creation with a promise of a new incorruptible to some who have ben given a new spirit that will never die. It will be raised and clothed on the last day..
They were born spiritually blind .The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven ever since the garden the Eden. . A dying creation with a promise of a new incorruptible to some who have ben given a new spirit that will never die. It will be raised and clothed on the last day..
They the Christian by faith, see Jesus and worship Him. Salvation
Word have meanings. Which part of Israel seeing all Israel is not born again Israel? (the gentile non converted part?)
The same could be said with the word Christian the new name God named his bride in Acts previously calling her Israel . Not all Christians are of Christians some have gone from us. . Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect some are in name. . . others by a work of the faith of Christ working in them to both will and do the good pleasure of our father.
Again which part of Israel. . an inward Jew as born again or outward as no Spirit of Christ .This is seeing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither are they Christians and the new name God named His bride the church.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Word have meanings. Which part of Israel seeing all Israel is not born again Israel? (the gentile non converted part?)
The same could be said with the word Christian the new name God named his bride in Acts previously calling her Israel . Not all Christians are of Christians some have gone from us. . Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect some are in name. . . others by a work of the faith of Christ working in them to both will and do the good pleasure of our father.
Again which part of Israel. . an inward Jew as born again or outward as no Spirit of Christ .This is seeing if any man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither are they Christians and the new name God named His bride the church.
Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Jesus is the way to the Father and His people will have to walk in that WAY and not just claim to have faith then go to slumber. Wake up!
This is what the Lord says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ Jeremiah 6:16
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10
...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3
...for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:14
...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11
The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:4-6
Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
This is what the Lord says: “Stand at the crossroads and look; ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But you said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ Jeremiah 6:16
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10
...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3
...for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.” Ephesians 5:14
...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. Romans 13:11
The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:4-6
Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk in Love.
God is good and His Love endures forever. Amen.
I found a very good set of audios on dispensationalism describing it in detail.
Did you know that many dispensationalists don't even believe the New Covenant is in effect?
Some, called progressive dispensationalists, believe it is in effect IN PART but not in full.
Anyways, this set of audios is really good.
Rob McKenzie is the main speaker, and he is explaining dispensational theology to his pastor. Rob is a former dispensationalist. He has studied this topic in depth, and has listened to thousands of sermons and read lots of books by dispensationalists from different eras.
https://reformedforum.org/tsp22/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp24/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp25/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp26/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp27/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp29/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp31/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp32/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp33/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp34/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp35/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp36/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp37/
Some follow up discussions:
https://reformedforum.org/tsp54/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp55/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp144/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp127/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp128/
As I have indicated, I don't believe dispensationalism. The above series indicates some of the problems with it, in a respectful manner. After listening to the audios, I can see better why dispensationalists believe their theology, though. Rob is very respectful toward dispensationalists in this series.
Realize that dispensationalism affects a lot of evangelical churches. In fact, I'd say about 80 percent of all evangelical churches are dispensational, and pastors are speaking from this perspective without their congregations being aware of it. So it is a pertinent topic and is something I am studying this year as part of my studies in hermeneutics.
Rob has written a book on this topic called Identifying the Seed.
https://smile.amazon.com/Identifyin...g+the+seed+rob+mckenzie&qid=1578305015&sr=8-1
Did you know that many dispensationalists don't even believe the New Covenant is in effect?
Some, called progressive dispensationalists, believe it is in effect IN PART but not in full.
Anyways, this set of audios is really good.
Rob McKenzie is the main speaker, and he is explaining dispensational theology to his pastor. Rob is a former dispensationalist. He has studied this topic in depth, and has listened to thousands of sermons and read lots of books by dispensationalists from different eras.
https://reformedforum.org/tsp22/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp24/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp25/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp26/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp27/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp29/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp31/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp32/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp33/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp34/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp35/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp36/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp37/
Some follow up discussions:
https://reformedforum.org/tsp54/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp55/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp144/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp127/
https://reformedforum.org/tsp128/
As I have indicated, I don't believe dispensationalism. The above series indicates some of the problems with it, in a respectful manner. After listening to the audios, I can see better why dispensationalists believe their theology, though. Rob is very respectful toward dispensationalists in this series.
Realize that dispensationalism affects a lot of evangelical churches. In fact, I'd say about 80 percent of all evangelical churches are dispensational, and pastors are speaking from this perspective without their congregations being aware of it. So it is a pertinent topic and is something I am studying this year as part of my studies in hermeneutics.
Rob has written a book on this topic called Identifying the Seed.
https://smile.amazon.com/Identifyin...g+the+seed+rob+mckenzie&qid=1578305015&sr=8-1
I don't do "yes" or "no" answers.
I don't play by other's rules either.
Israel has received all that God unconditionally promised her, or will receive it at some point in the future.
God keeps his promises.
My issue is whether the promises were:
1. conditional or unconditional, and did Israel fulfill the condition?
2. fulfilled at some time in the past in national Israel
2. were fulfilled, or will be fulfilled, in Christ or the church, who are true Israel as spiritual descendants of Abraham.
3. were fulfilled, or will be fulfilled, in a much grander way than was originally anticipated.
For example, Romans 4 says that Abraham's spiritual descendants are heirs to the entire world. That's a much grander fulfillment than the one dispensationalists are looking for.
By the way, I find it common that dispensationalists try to pen me in a corner with a "yes/no" answer. I don't play that game.'
Additionally, I believe that there will be great evangelistic success amongst the descendants of Israel just prior to Jesus' return per Romans 11.
The aforementioned audios lay out all the various questions and inconsistencies in dispensationalism in a well-designed manner. If you are dispensationalist, I recommend listening to them and giving me feedback on inaccuracies that you feel the speaker conveyed.
I don't play by other's rules either.
Israel has received all that God unconditionally promised her, or will receive it at some point in the future.
God keeps his promises.
My issue is whether the promises were:
1. conditional or unconditional, and did Israel fulfill the condition?
2. fulfilled at some time in the past in national Israel
2. were fulfilled, or will be fulfilled, in Christ or the church, who are true Israel as spiritual descendants of Abraham.
3. were fulfilled, or will be fulfilled, in a much grander way than was originally anticipated.
For example, Romans 4 says that Abraham's spiritual descendants are heirs to the entire world. That's a much grander fulfillment than the one dispensationalists are looking for.
By the way, I find it common that dispensationalists try to pen me in a corner with a "yes/no" answer. I don't play that game.'
Additionally, I believe that there will be great evangelistic success amongst the descendants of Israel just prior to Jesus' return per Romans 11.
The aforementioned audios lay out all the various questions and inconsistencies in dispensationalism in a well-designed manner. If you are dispensationalist, I recommend listening to them and giving me feedback on inaccuracies that you feel the speaker conveyed.