Not By Works

the bible uses the word obey and obedience. we know that.

so if faith(ing) means obedience. why doesnt john 3:16 and all those verses say " whosoever obeys the Son shall be saved "?
why do they say have faith in, or believe? sounds confusing.

else where bible uses the word obedience so we know that word can be used.

think about it @Noose @limmuwd

the bible uses the word obey and obedience. we know that.

so if faith(ing) means obedience. why doesnt john 3:16 and all those verses say " whosoever obeys the Son shall be saved "?
why do they say have faith in, or believe? sounds confusing.

else where bible uses the word obedience so we know that word can be used.

think about it @Noose @limmuwd

Ya I was never a big fan of being approved by " man ". So we as faithers are to be approved by the world? And if the world doesn't approve, there's something wrong with us? Doesn't fit.

And the Father calls us out, draws us to Christ. Not from Christ to the Father.

So then why does the bible say, "NO ONE comes to the Father, except by the Son"??

the bible uses the word obey and obedience. we know that.

so if faith(ing) means obedience. why doesnt john 3:16 and all those verses say " whosoever obeys the Son shall be saved "?
why do they say have faith in, or believe? sounds confusing.

else where bible uses the word obedience so we know that word can be used.

think about it @Noose @limmuwd

the bible uses the word obey and obedience. we know that.

so if faith(ing) means obedience. why doesnt john 3:16 and all those verses say " whosoever obeys the Son shall be saved "?
why do they say have faith in, or believe? sounds confusing.

else where bible uses the word obedience so we know that word can be used.

think about it @Noose @limmuwd

We also have "whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved" (Acts 2:21) and Jesus' Word that "he who endures to the end shall be saved." (Matt 10:22). Is it either/or, or is it actually both.

If we "neglect so great a salvation" by not "working it out with fear and trembling", we will be found wanting in that Day.
Again, our True faith is only evident to God by what we actually do.

And, yes, we have John 3:16 (which actually doesn't' mention "salvation"), but then we have, concerning Jesus in Hebrews - "having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him" - Heb 5:9) Again, is it either/or, or is it both?

As with a cake recipe, we must use ALL the ingredients to achieve the final end.
So too, we must receive and follow ALL that the Word declares to attain that Goal set before us.

Amen.

"His" obedience is the only ingredient that won't ruin the cake.

Lol, I have alot more to support my understanding than just one word, that's all I can expose you to at your current place in the salvation journey.

Jesus cannot be obedient for us. Jesus cannot repent for us. Jesus cannot overcome for us.
That is an error commonly preached from some pulpits today.

"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." - Rev 3:21

He bore His Cross; we must bear our own.

I’m going to ask you a very direct question and from the heart I truly mean no disrespect. How is it that you actually expect people to believe you regarding the intricacies of one Greek word when you wouldn’t even pass a basic 9th grade English grammar exam?

I’m going to ask you a very direct question and from the heart I truly mean no disrespect. How is it that you actually expect people to believe you regarding the intricacies of one Greek word when you wouldn’t even pass a basic 9th grade English grammar exam?

I’m going to ask you a very direct question and from the heart I truly mean no disrespect. How is it that you actually expect people to believe you regarding the intricacies of one Greek word when you wouldn’t even pass a basic 9th grade English grammar exam?

The True definition of Repentance, which I have very accurately provided, means to change the mind, reject our sin and actually turn away from it. That is clear Bible.
The easy proof is in the consistent usage throughout the New Testament of the words "Repent" and "Repentance." For in not a single instance in the NT would a mere 'change of mind' fit what Jesus, John or the Apostles taught. Not once.

If I had time, I would expound on the Hebrew understanding of the word "repent" in the passage you mentioned above.

Personally, I will continue to preach 'Repentance" as did Jesus, John, the Prophets and Apostles, exhorting the saints to "turn from their wicked ways."

God's Wisdom and Understanding to all.

Jesus cannot be obedient for us. Jesus cannot repent for us. Jesus cannot overcome for us.
That is an error commonly preached from some pulpits today.

"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." - Rev 3:21

He bore His Cross; we must bear our own.

You don't have to look at everything with an OSAS lenses. Paul doesn't contradict and this chapter doesn't teach works salvation but abiding in Christ. We do not work to attain justification but everyone starts from the point of justification. Only those that abide in Christ till the end will be victorious and this is what it means persevering to the end.

]You don't have to look at everything with an OSAS lenses

I never meant to put myself at a scholarly level. I'm a retired master Mason, the brick laying kind.

Bearing a cross saves no one.

You fail to mention these truths which affirm the completed work of Christ and salvation is a singular event.....

25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Hebrews 7:25

Having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
1 Peter 1:23

being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Romans 3:24

Sister, there is no reason to continue this debating. You have your belief and I have mine.
I have no doubt concerning the Word the Lord God has given me to teach.
I must obey what He has commissioned me to do, not concern myself with the understanding of man.

I often feel as one would who might attempt to teach HVAC Psychometrics to a child learning addition and subtraction in the 2nd Grade. (And I know of what I speak, having excelled in the former, as well as having a son learning the latter.)

Peace & Blessings.