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the real answer is- religion is about control . there has to be some type of threat to keep the people in line.
I have heard with my own ears, guys standing close to me, the guys being pastors , saying they had " keep them in line ' sermons, or " housekeeping " sermons .
so, I have keep myself in a line right out the door of a few churches over the years after hearing this....
I have heard with my own ears, guys standing close to me, the guys being pastors , saying they had " keep them in line ' sermons, or " housekeeping " sermons .
so, I have keep myself in a line right out the door of a few churches over the years after hearing this....
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Fulfill pisteuo daily.
1) surrender our lives to God daily, hourly if necessary.
2) believe God has accepted, tested, maintaining, and complete the surrendered life.
3) makeing all our daily decisions supporting the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.
4) have good courage.
5) endurance
These aren't works that are added to Grace, Grace is a completed work and is given to the world as a gift from God.
The five points above are how we must recieve that gift, by Faith, by faithing, by pisteuo according to the NT writers.
If pisteuo stops, salvation stops. It's described as like melting snow in the Greek texts. But once a faither has received the Spirit of Christ, it's harder for one like that to get out of God's will, than it is to stay in it. The filling of the Spirit of Christ doesn't happen at the moment of a Belief, it happens after the surrendered life has been accepted, tested, and grafted on.
So my light skinned brother, which points do you have questions about?
1) surrender our lives to God daily, hourly if necessary.
2) believe God has accepted, tested, maintaining, and complete the surrendered life.
3) makeing all our daily decisions supporting the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.
4) have good courage.
5) endurance
These aren't works that are added to Grace, Grace is a completed work and is given to the world as a gift from God.
The five points above are how we must recieve that gift, by Faith, by faithing, by pisteuo according to the NT writers.
If pisteuo stops, salvation stops. It's described as like melting snow in the Greek texts. But once a faither has received the Spirit of Christ, it's harder for one like that to get out of God's will, than it is to stay in it. The filling of the Spirit of Christ doesn't happen at the moment of a Belief, it happens after the surrendered life has been accepted, tested, and grafted on.
So my light skinned brother, which points do you have questions about?
You forgot something:
Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.
Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.
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Actually it's not only to maintain salvation but to earn it in order to maintain it.
Point 1 leads into point 2.
Surrender our lives daily, hourly if necessary, then believe God HAS accepted tested and so on and complete the surredered life.
Now if we surrender our lives how on earth can we believe that God has accepted us based on that surrendered life?
If we can and he does accept how can God complete the surrendered life?
If our surrendered life is enough to be accepted nothing is left to completed?
Even if it's completed by us and accepted how can God complete it further?
Point 1 leads into point 2.
Surrender our lives daily, hourly if necessary, then believe God HAS accepted tested and so on and complete the surredered life.
Now if we surrender our lives how on earth can we believe that God has accepted us based on that surrendered life?
If we can and he does accept how can God complete the surrendered life?
If our surrendered life is enough to be accepted nothing is left to completed?
Even if it's completed by us and accepted how can God complete it further?
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If grace is a completed work and is given as a gift then the five points above are what we have to do to the receive the gift then actually it's not a gift at all.
However if we know it's a gift and we accept that gift then points 1,3,4&5 I agree with.
Point 2 I will always disagree with because you say that we be accepted based on what we do when it's tested and approved by God.
We are accepted as a result of genuine faith in Jesus which leads to points 1,3,4 and 5 because we have been given the Holy Spirit who came to convict us off the sin on unbelief in Jesus which we repent off.
PS do you only surrender hourly?
If so then it's not complete surrender.
However if we know it's a gift and we accept that gift then points 1,3,4&5 I agree with.
Point 2 I will always disagree with because you say that we be accepted based on what we do when it's tested and approved by God.
We are accepted as a result of genuine faith in Jesus which leads to points 1,3,4 and 5 because we have been given the Holy Spirit who came to convict us off the sin on unbelief in Jesus which we repent off.
PS do you only surrender hourly?
If so then it's not complete surrender.
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I have been in Conservative Evangelical types of Churches, that TEACH LORDSHIP SALVATIONISM, ever sense I have been SAVED in 1977. And we have been in several of them because we moved a lot over the years.
NEVER ONCE HAVE I HEARD A PASTOR TEACH "A LICENSE TO SIN", NOT EVEN CLOSE THAT THEORY. So you are blackening the most of us Lordship Salvationists, along with the relative FEW CHURCHES THAT TEACH THAT ERROR. I OBJECT and AM OFFENDED by anyone who has the willingness to paint all of us, like the few who do teach that ERROR.
ALL WE MEAN BY THE EXPRESSION "LORDSHIP SALVATION", IS WE ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THESE VERSES LITERALLY.
Romans 10:8-10 (NASB)
8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
9 that if you confess [.not just simply profess.] with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Part of our BELIEFS, is that a truly Born Again Believer, WILL EXHIBIT the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, in his new born spiritual Character. Gal. 5:22-23
AND when he stumbles, will be burdened by SIN, until HE CONFESSES it to GOD. 1 John 1:9
Man's opinion means very little to me.
The Lord has confirmed what He has given to me to preach, and that's all I need.
As Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles had to deal with such self-centered, unrepentant folk as well, I know I am in good company.
Anytime you're up for a real match, let me know!
The Lord has confirmed what He has given to me to preach, and that's all I need.
As Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles had to deal with such self-centered, unrepentant folk as well, I know I am in good company.
Anytime you're up for a real match, let me know!
Therefore you should understand that we can reciprocate the same sentiments.
We are in good company as well.
When you want a real match let us know as well.
Thing is you assume unrepentant folk.
That's beyond your paygade.
That's up to Jesus to judge and not you.
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NO, I was not referring to you, I specified by "anyone".
Was not directing it to you, it just seemed like a opportune time to share how PEOPLE who LUMP all of us LORDSHIP SALVATIONISTS, with the minority that teach "A License to Sin", make me feel. Sorry you misunderstood. As far as I am concerned those who teach A Licence to SIN, are NOT TRUE LORDSHIP SALVATIONIST, because we are those who Willingly Submit to HIS LORDSHIP, purely out of LOVE FOR HIM.
Man's opinion means very little to me.
The Lord has confirmed what He has given to me to preach, and that's all I need.
As Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles had to deal with such self-centered, unrepentant folk as well, I know I am in good company.
Anytime you're up for a real match, let me know!
The Lord has confirmed what He has given to me to preach, and that's all I need.
As Jesus, the Prophets and Apostles had to deal with such self-centered, unrepentant folk as well, I know I am in good company.
Anytime you're up for a real match, let me know!
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