Atonement

Gives is present tense. Your question fails because it assumes past tense from the verb.
Didn't you learn verb tense in elementary school? It's actually some simple language that your are reading your personal theology onto rather than reading for what it says.
In verse 39 he uses past tense "has given", but he is speaking from the perspective of a future time when he will raise them up.
You should take a reading comprehension class, and possibly a language mechanics class, this may help you to understand written language. Or is it that you want to read in your own theology because there is a word for that; eisegesus, and it is the soul source of heterodoxy which can shipwreck a person's faith.

It's not for to worry very much about as I see it because we were given the task of sharing the Gospel with everyone can be saved. We won't know till the book of life is opened for everyone to see who is and isn't saved. As my friend Lynn used to say, "Many would be surprised to see hookers and thieves in heaven and preachers and scholars in hell." We just need to do what we are called to do. God will do the rest.

Well this may not be correct language, but, "You are still skirting around the verse" without answering the question.

I believe that the term Gods elect refers to the predestination or pre selection of Evangelists, teachers, preachers, messengers and workers for the Gospel of Jesus the Christ. Salvation is for everyone that can come to believe and receive the Grace by faith through the power of the Holy Spirit, and become circumcized of the heart. Those that turn from Grace and return to the law risk losing their Salvation if they do not turn back to Grace and faith. Now I've got a study to return to so ciao for now.

Another one "skirting around the verse" without answering it. Everyone knows what it says and just don't want to admit it.

The problem that you are experiencing is not with the replies of others. The problem is that you cannot understand the correct answer. You are the one who does not know what the verse is saying.

The call of the gospel is open to all who will hear and who will believe. The word of God is not shortened that it cannot accomplish that to which God has sent it. All men will hear but all men will not accept what the word of God has to say. That is because of what is in their hearts and not what God has determined they must do to be saved.

You need to see the wonder of the plan of salvation that God drew up from the foundation of the world. A plan that every man can respond to and be saved. A plan that requires nothing on the part of man but to believe and receive. Christ has done it all that every man can be saved. Were in not for their love of evil all men would be saved.

God creates all men and God creates them all good for God can do no less. Sin corrupts so God has provided a remedy through Christ. Like the brazen serpent in the camp men must look to be saved. Those that turn away perish. This is the sovereign immutable will of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

It does answer the question.
All that the father gives him, however many that may be because present tense, does not exclude any possibility. I keep all that he gives, also implies as he gives, or when he give. It's a non-exclusionary statement because it lease open that he could give all.

God GAVE the same ones that he Draws in John 6:44, and it is not all mankind because all that he draws he will raise up at the last day, even AS HE DRAWS.

John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day. This verse is, also, unexplainable to the all mankind atonement believers. All that the Father draws cannot be all mankind because all that he draws he will raise up at the last day and we all know that all mankind will not be in heaven.

Drawers is also a present tense verb which has no exclusionary number volume as if it were a past tense verb. So again reading comprehension does not seem to be your friend.

Even though it may have no exclusionary number the fact still remains that as many that will be drawn will be raised up at the last day. You are still skirting around the verse by trying to divert the attention away from explaining the verse by demonstrating your grammar skills. I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.(Matt 11:25).

So we should stop spreading the good news to others because the salvation and damnation of all has already been decided? Is life after salvation is just a waste of time?

We are not to spread the good news to the natural man (1 Cor 2:14) it would be a waste of time because he cannot discern the things of the Spirit and thinks they are foolish. The inspired scriptures were written to God's elect who have been born of the Spirit for the purpose of instructing them as to how he wants them to live their lives here on earth. The scriptures are also the good news to his children explaining how Jesus has saved them eternally by his sacrifice on the cross and given them his imputed righteousness so that they don't have to go about trying to establish their own righteousness by their good works.

Well put.
It's like that cartoon from years ago. Two people looking at one another and each at the same time saying, I didn't think I'd see you here!


It's amazing that there can be so many conversations going on about the same thing. That of, those who Jesus didn't die for.

So how are they supposed to get the message unless somebody shares it with them?

I wasn't raised by Bible believing parents or in a Christian household. I thank God for Evangelists and free bibles in cheap hotels. I thank God for people that gathered in parks making joyful noises to the lord, rescue missions, homeless shelters and ministries that visit jail houses and hospitals. Jesus didn't hang out in seminaries or with learned scholar's who lived near rightous lives. He took his message to the sinners, wine bibbers, tax collectors and prostitutes. he turned fishermen into fishers of men.

I honestly don't understand the point you are trying to assert or why. It sounds to my like you are talking in circles.